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#213618 - 06/29/08 06:36 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: EFalardeau]
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 Originally Posted By: EFalardeau
Just a thought like that: did you try configuring your system in 4.1 (tell your receiver there is no central channel)? If you have the same issue, then it is something coming from the source path. If you don't have the problem, the definitely look at phases (+- speaker wires) as it is a frequently overlooked source of problems.


I'll give that a shot. I'm almost positive I don't have any phase problems. My wire is copper colored on 1 side and silver on the other and I'm very careful when I connect the speakers. Also I believe that Audyssey would have told me if I had a speaker out of phase.

I asked earlier if DVD players such as the Oppos would make a big difference as far as sound when compared to a player/recorder such as the Panasonic DMR-EZ28K that I'm using. Would you know about that?
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#213620 - 06/29/08 06:39 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: edmondwolfman]
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It is highly unlikely, given that you are outputting completely digitally. It might make a difference video wise, but it unlikely to affect the sound--especially not in this way.

I'm still voting for Audyssey screwing up.
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#213622 - 06/29/08 06:54 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: Ken.C]
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Bert, he said he had this problem prior to Audyssey. ;\)

If your only choices are 2.x (whatever x is) then that is your problem. You need at least 3.x for the center channel to get signal.
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#213624 - 06/29/08 07:06 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: CV]
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 Originally Posted By: CV
3/2.1 is 5.1, unless I'm mistaken.


3/ is the 3rd choice... You need to see at least 3.x for the center channel to get signal.
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#213625 - 06/29/08 07:09 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: SRoode]
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 Originally Posted By: SRoode
Bert, he said he had this problem prior to Audyssey. ;\)

If your only choices are 2.x (whatever x is) then that is your problem. You need at least 3.x for the center channel to get signal.


It's getting a signal it's just not very loud. As I've seen some say that they run their center just a couple db louder than their fronts but for DVDs to sound good I have to set my center from 6 to 8 dbs louder than the fronts.

What do most people set crossovers at for their centers?

When I ordered the Axioms Brent told me the VP100 should work fine with the M60s since my listening area wasn't more than 12 feet from the television. Should I have gone with the VP150?

1 other thought. When I unboxed my speakers the VP100 had something rattling around inside. It sounded like a washer or a screw. When I called they told me to take out one of the drivers and see if I could tell what was loose inside. I did take out one of the drivers but couldn't locate what it was. It was either stuck to one of the magnets or just caught up in the fluffy stuff similar to insulation that is inside.


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#213626 - 06/29/08 07:12 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: SRoode]
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 Originally Posted By: SRoode
3/ is the 3rd choice... You need to see at least 3.x for the center channel to get signal.


I was thinking of when things say 3/2 to represent the five channels (3 front, 2 surround).

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#213627 - 06/29/08 07:14 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: edmondwolfman]
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Have you tried sticking your ear up to the VP100 and checking that all 3 drivers are working?

I have the VP100 with M80s, and it works fine. From the sound of it, your setup is working fine except from DVD. Is that correct? (for example, using Dolby Pro Logic II or DTS:Neo6 with a CD or TV signal).

Center crossover on my VP100 is at 100Hz, but I don't know if you have the option of different crossovers for different channels. Even so, the crossover shouldn't make the difference on how loud the center is compared to the other channels. It might make a difference in how it sounds, but not in how loud it is.
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#213630 - 06/29/08 07:57 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: Ken.C]
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Have you tried sticking your ear up to the VP100 and checking that all 3 drivers are working?

I have the VP100 with M80s, and it works fine. From the sound of it, your setup is working fine except from DVD. Is that correct? (for example, using Dolby Pro Logic II or DTS:Neo6 with a CD or TV signal).

Center crossover on my VP100 is at 100Hz, but I don't know if you have the option of different crossovers for different channels. Even so, the crossover shouldn't make the difference on how loud the center is compared to the other channels. It might make a difference in how it sounds, but not in how loud it is.


I think I'll scrounge up another DVD player somewhere and do a comparison. Some of the cable shows running Dolby do sound pretty good so it has to be my DVD player.
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#213631 - 06/29/08 08:05 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: edmondwolfman]
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Or how your receiver is handling your DVD player's input.
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#213633 - 06/29/08 09:31 PM Re: Bad sound from Center on all DVDs [Re: edmondwolfman]
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 Originally Posted By: edmondwolfman
My mistake, I mean't English 3/2.1 Esp 1/2.1 and Fra 2/2.1. I think the 3, 2 and 1 are just the menu numbered item.


You are right. The x/ prefix is the menu choice. If you cannot choose a surround output (e.g. /3.x or better) you will not get surround. Granted, you will hear a little in the center even in stereo mode (no mode is perfect).

Again, see if you can set your DVD player to anything but stereo (the 3 choices you listed were all stereo, but there is probably another menu setting to enable surround).

If not, try a different DVD player.
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