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#220637 - 09/11/08 12:44 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: CV]
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Agreed, Axiom could have easily gotten defensive and said, "hey you tinkerer, get off my boards!"

But then of course, they wouldn't be Axiom. Thanks for participating Ian, it's always fun to see your posts pop up here. I too am looking forward to the results (the bigger and fancier the test the better)

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#220650 - 09/11/08 01:52 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: myrison]
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Indeed...kudos to both Ian and The Ninja for being civil and playing nice...count me in for being VERY interested in seeing how this turns out!

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#220661 - 09/11/08 07:25 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Toka]
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This is going to be fun.
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#220692 - 09/11/08 01:19 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: DaveG]
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/Me: Subscribes to this thread....

So are we taking bets as to whether or not we'll see M22 V3's in 2 or 3 months from now?
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#220693 - 09/11/08 01:39 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: PeterChenoweth]
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Careful. They might be called v2xi and you would lose!
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#220696 - 09/11/08 01:46 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: PeterChenoweth]
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 Originally Posted By: PeterChenoweth
So are we taking bets as to whether or not we'll see M22 V3's in 2 or 3 months from now?
With a substantial price increase at the prices the ninja networks cost. I would guess Ian would just authorize the networks to be used in Axiom products if he likes what they do, or at the very least, feels they are built well enough to not cause the drivers any problems for warranty purposes.
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#220705 - 09/11/08 02:52 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: jakewash]
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
 Originally Posted By: PeterChenoweth
So are we taking bets as to whether or not we'll see M22 V3's in 2 or 3 months from now?
With a substantial price increase at the prices the ninja networks cost. I would guess Ian would just authorize the networks to be used in Axiom products if he likes what they do, or at the very least, feels they are built well enough to not cause the drivers any problems for warranty purposes.


I would tend to agree. Crossover components this expensive aren't really part of axiom's design philosophy. I would bet that either nothing will come of it, and you can go buy stuff at skiing ninja if you want, or if Ian is really impressed maybe there will be some sort of agreement worked out such that ninja master crossovers are designed for more axiom products and they cross market for each other in some way. Maybe he'd send some M80's Sean's way and have them ninjafied. \:D It will ultimately just be another choice for everybody.

Merely copying the design would put the m22's in a different price class. You can easily enough figure out the cap values and buy the stuff yourself. You'll find the markup isn't that big. Axiom, like every other speaker manufacturer, aims at price points when designing speakers. Going no-holds-barred with the crossover for every speaker would in all likelihood be detrimental to their overall business model.


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#220714 - 09/11/08 03:43 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: woofersus]
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In my opinion, the thing that would be making the difference would be the crossover design, not the crossover components. As Ian said, the components they use are well within the rated spec.
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#220724 - 09/11/08 04:57 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Ken.C]
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What would be even more interesting than testing an M22 before and after the mod would be testing the skiing ninja crossover mod against a mod with the same electrical specs as Axiom would build it -- e.g. without the expensive parts.
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#220742 - 09/11/08 06:54 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: pmbuko]
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 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
What would be even more interesting than testing an M22 before and after the mod would be testing the skiing ninja crossover mod against a mod with the same electrical specs as Axiom would build it -- e.g. without the expensive parts.



That certainly is a comparison worth making, and perhaps Ian and/or the ninja could make that happen. However, there are several mods created for AV123 products that are not a new design, but simply upgraded parts and a layout optimized to reduce crosstalk. There are a variety of before/after comparo's of them floating around on the AV123 forums. If anybody living near to very many of you had some of those, then a comparison of those might be interesting too, especially since it won't be a speaker that everybody here is already intimately familiar with.

The redesigned networks would certainly be a more dramatic change than the ones with only upgraded components, but how much change each makes is certainly a question worth asking.

Frankly, I'm considering getting ninja mods for my RS450's and I haven't had an opportunity to hear them so I'd be going solely on what other people have said as well. I've only heard the ninja modified RS750's, RSC200, and Ref 1's.
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