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#222388 - 09/24/08 10:31 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: BlueJays1]
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6246
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
I can understand skepticism being engendered by the OP. I have no problem with being people being skeptical. But to allow one's skepticism to morph into rude accusations of dishonesty, without proof of same, is, IMHO, irresponsible. Many members expressed their skepticism without calling "BS," or "snake oil." Regrettably, a few couldn't wait for proof.

What you call "promoting" I see as "informing." I'll accept that the line between the two is thin, but to accuse Woofersus of promotion implies a knowledge of his intent, which, simply none of us can know. I sorta believe in "innocent until proved guilty." An outdated concept on the internet, I know, but I'm old fashioned. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

EDIT: I noticed you made a reference to Woofersus' post count. I sincerely hope you aren't implying that any conclusions should be drawn, about what is being said by someone, based on their low post count. I just noticed you have 21 posts. ;\)

For the record, though I understand the usefulness, I fear revealing post counts leads to just such abuse. It ain't the quantity that counts, it's the quality.


Edited by Ajax (09/24/08 10:46 AM)
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#222390 - 09/24/08 11:08 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Ajax]
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Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Mount Vernon, OH
I stand by the fact that I came here solely to point out something I thought was cool to a community I thought might enjoy it. I can understand some skepticism, but to blame that on my low post count is disingenuous I think. It was clearly not a spam post, and within two posts with questions I had explained my reasoning and lack of affiliation with skiing ninja products. I'm pretty sure I didn't break any rules.

I have said before that I think most people here responded reasonably and only a few did not. To say I was the cause of it is a little unfair.
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#222391 - 09/24/08 11:09 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Ajax]
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Registered: 09/19/08
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Loc: Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire
Yes I have a low post count but I am not pushing any products or violating any board rules. The point I was brining is people with low post counts are the ones that spam advertise (I am not implying his intention was to) it could just seem like that at first. After it was implied that he was legit I think he was given more than the benefit of the doubt.


Edited by Dr.House (09/24/08 11:09 AM)
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#222392 - 09/24/08 11:25 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: woofersus]
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Registered: 09/19/08
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All I am saying is it was not "ideal" and someones first impression could consider that spam. After it was cleared up by Ajax that you guys were legit, it is obvious it was not your intention and you came here on good faith :). As you know other things transpired and if they did not happen I do not think we would be even discussing this sillyness :). I still would love to see some results from all this, you know why because it would be a fascinating experiment. All this discussion on his networks has been very intersting \:\) :).




Edited by Dr.House (09/24/08 11:54 AM)
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#222395 - 09/24/08 11:53 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: BlueJays1]
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
I still would love to see some results from all this, you know why because it would be a fascinating experiment. All this discussion on his networks has been very intersting \:\) :).
Me too. Hopefully, Jakewash will have some information for us. He should be able to tell us 1) if he hears a significant difference, and 20 which incarnation he prefers.

But, though I'll be eager to hear what he has to say, if I'll be forgiven for belaboring the obvious again, I would point out that what Jakewash hears (or doesn't hear) and which he prefers (if either), is no guarantee that I, or anyone else, will hear and feel the same.
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#222396 - 09/24/08 11:57 AM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Ajax]
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Registered: 09/19/08
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Loc: Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire
I agree, hopefully he has a group of people there so there could be a concencus.
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#222397 - 09/24/08 12:00 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: BlueJays1]
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17741
Loc: NoVA
Assuming that
a) the crossovers are not total garbage (which I don't think for a second that they might be)
and
b) the crossovers are not a gift from God that makes the M22s sound like WATT/Puppies

there ain't gonna be a consensus. I suspect that instead there will be people who like them better than stock, and that there will be people who like stock better.
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#222399 - 09/24/08 12:06 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: Ken.C]
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Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 4070
Loc: Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire
Yeah you are probably correct on that. Consensus is the wrong term, I should have said majority.


Edited by Dr.House (09/24/08 12:06 PM)
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#222402 - 09/24/08 12:55 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: BlueJays1]
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7031
Loc: Canada
If there is one thing I have learned over the years its that the time you separate the quai-interested, flakes and wanabees from the real deal its when action time arrives.

So, I will ask one last time. Who here is willing to make a commitment? Mdrew and I are.

What do you get for your money? If you are curious about the network you get measurements to match up against Jason's listening tests and Axioms measurements for their stock network.

For the skeptics, if the network is not the real deal, you get numbers to back up your suppositions and full bragging rights.

Heck, once we own the networks, if someone is able, we could even swap out lower cost parts and re-measure. I bet we could talk the folks at Axiom into doing some additional measuring.

Either way, we move from the land of if's and speculation to the land of certainty.

Its action time!
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#222410 - 09/24/08 01:19 PM Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade [Re: fredk]
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Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 4070
Loc: Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire
It depends on how much money, If we can get a bunch of people and each invest a small portion I have no problem with that. I do not mind sending anywhere between $10-$30 dollars. Who do we send the money to and how?


Edited by Dr.House (09/24/08 01:23 PM)
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