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#233639 - 12/08/08 05:08 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: Ken.C]
nickbuol Offline
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 4514
Loc: Marion, IA
Without reading everything here since I am short on time and trying to go home... Bare wire is better than connecting to a banana plug! There, I said it. I love banana plugs for the "look" and each of disconnecting and reconnecting, but every time you make a connection, you run the risk of some level of signal degradation. Will you hear it? Most likely not, but it has been argued time and time again that bare wire offers the best connection from a signal point of view. Of course, you can get some really crappy wire and run into corrosion, but if you used that same wire and connected it to a banana plug, you'd still have crappy corroding wire.
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#233640 - 12/08/08 05:10 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: onn]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
There are test out there. As I have to leave the computer, I would take teeh cheap way out and say go to Transparent Audio's website. (there are others, I just recall that one was good.) I think they have some of that there. But I have over the years read studies by independant folk that show the changes to the signal over a run of copper. It may be my logic trumping my ears, but it seemed to back the audible differece. Time? I don't know. I figure it must occur at the electron level long before I see it, but that aint exactly scince. Sorry to open a can of worms I can't close.
Gotta run, will check back and hopefully some pro will point out the error of my ways.
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#233643 - 12/08/08 05:14 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: Zimm]
Ken.C Offline
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Gotta say, a manufacturer's website is not the best place to get objective info about how their stuff performs. (pot, kettle, black yadda yadda)

Also, the name's not Calvin... Although that's not usually one I get. Charlie's a lot more common.
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#233645 - 12/08/08 05:21 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: Ken.C]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6721
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.

Come on Calvin loosen up and come listen to my speaker wire \:\)
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#233646 - 12/08/08 05:24 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: Wid]
Ken.C Offline
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Oh, all right, Ray.
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#233647 - 12/08/08 05:25 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: Ken.C]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
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Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
\:D
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#233666 - 12/08/08 06:30 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: Wid]
BlueJays1 Offline
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Registered: 09/19/08
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kcarlile made the best advantage about banana plugs, that is using them on the back of the receiver which for the most part are tight, confined, cluttered areas. In this case banana plugs have a distinct advantage in creating the best contact (especially with a 10 awg wire). For that application I have found no better banana plug then the locking type from blue jeans cable. But going to the speaker itself it really does not matter, I have even put bare 10 awg wire into the binding posts of my Axioms with no issues \:\) .
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#233685 - 12/08/08 08:24 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: BlueJays1]
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\:D

It's just been pointed out to me that my sig ends with --Calvin. That refers to the comic character from Calvin and Hobbes, the speaker of my quote. My name's Ken.
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#233688 - 12/08/08 08:33 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: Ken.C]
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Registered: 08/27/07
Posts: 3270
Loc: Laval, Quebec, Canada
Ah! You might want to use double-quotes for the text then if it's a quote! ;\)
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#233702 - 12/08/08 09:26 PM Re: Bare Wire Termination with QS8 [Re: EFalardeau]
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Registered: 10/12/07
Posts: 49
Ok, I'll bite. (insert Homer emoticon here)

I lived in Binghamton, NY for 25 years as Director of Acoustic Research at McIntosh Laboratory Inc. doing what I like best-- creating better sound. I initiated the loudspeaker line at McIntosh, developed many new concepts, received several patents and wrote several magazine articles.

Earlier, I was a senior engineer at the Sonotone Corporation, in Elmsford, NY. I designed several compact speaker systems and a wide variety of microphones.
I graduated from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y. with a degree in Electrical Engineering.
I am a life member in the AES and joined in 1960. Previously, I was a student member at RPI.

Who am I and what do I think about speaker wire?


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