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#241248 - 01/18/09 01:54 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: oldlamps]
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Registered: 10/28/07
Posts: 395
Loc: Cold Lake, AB
Of course, at this point it may come down to personality. You may be the type to get the 50s and say "Wow, these are awesome!" and live happily ever after. Or you may be more neurotic and say "Wow, these are awesome! I wonder how much better the 60s/80s would be..."




I really wish I was in the first category.
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#241249 - 01/18/09 01:59 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: doormat]
oldlamps Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 40
haha,,you gotten all!

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#241250 - 01/18/09 02:07 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: oldlamps]
Eno Offline
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Registered: 11/15/03
Posts: 67
Loc: Bowie, MD USA
I'm in the first category.

I went with the 50s mainly for two reasons; I have a small living room and thought that the 60s would be too much, and I was used to listening to Cerwin-Vegas so I don't mind the "laid back" sound.

I got an SVS PB-10 subwoofer to go along with the Axiom 50s and hope to live happily ever after.

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#241253 - 01/18/09 02:18 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: oldlamps]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7032
Loc: Canada
It is hard to say withought having listened to both as to how subtle the difference is. Subtle is a very relative term.

The M50 is the only speaker I did not audition when at Axiom, so I can't even tell you what difference I perceived. Perhaps most of my aversion to the M50 comes from listening to the Paradigm Monitor 7 vs anything in the Studio line. There was a BIG difference there and I did not like the 'laid back' (read muffled) sound of the Monitor 7.

I personally like to hear the string plucks and the details of a bass string vibration. That addition of texture is the difference between sounds good and sound real. It is what makes the speaker start to sound transparent: disappear so that you hear music from a band, not speakers. That starts to come through in the M60 and comes through in spades on the M80. I do not know how much of it comes through on the M50.

That is one of the differences I noticed between the M60 and M22. The upper end on the M22 was more transparent. I would imagine the difference would be more pronounced between the M22 and M50.

The down side of all this detail is that poor recordings will sound noticably poor. I notice it with two of my favourite recordings: Yes, Close To the Edge and Yes, Fragile.

I do not know if my ramblings are confusing or helping at this point so I'll stop. ;\)
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#241255 - 01/18/09 02:33 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: fredk]
oldlamps Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 40
Ramble on....I think after all the advice and such Ill give up on the M22 and at least go with a floor speaker..probably the M60

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#241270 - 01/18/09 03:43 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: oldlamps]
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Registered: 05/03/03
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Loc: NoVA
This is why this forum is dangerous... you end up buying way more than you thought! ;\)

I've tried to find the old comparison Peter, Adam and I did between the 50s and 22s, but I've had no luck with either search mechanism--I suspect the posts simply aren't in the system any longer. In short, they're both great speakers. The M50s definitely have a fatter sound, but the M22s have better imaging. Happily, I have the M80s now (as well as 22s and 50s), which combine the nice fat sound with incredible imaging and accuracy.

sorry, there we go again... ;\)
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#241271 - 01/18/09 03:57 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: Ken.C]
oldlamps Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 40
You are right..in my head Ive bought every speaker today..do you know of anyone with a set of used stands for my QS4's.Tom

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#241304 - 01/18/09 08:17 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: alan]
Shane White Offline
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Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 143
Loc: Perth, Western Australia
 Originally Posted By: alan
Hi OldLamps,


The virtues of using a satellite "bookshelf" size speaker with a subwoofer include easier placement. You can actually put them on a shelf, close to the wall behind. You can even wall-mount them if you wish. With floorstanding speakers, sometimes putting them too close to a wall or corner will result in exaggerated or boomy bass. Since bookshelf size speakers don't have much bass response, that isn't a problem. The subwoofer reproduces the deep bass.

Alan, I completely agree. I don't really have room for floorstanders, and my wife would probably find them offensive. However, my new Usher bookshelf speakers are quite small, and blend nicely into the background. I would have bought M3s but the Aussie dollar took a dive and they became too expensive \:\(

I'm very pleased with the Ushers though.

As for bass, I might look for a small sub some time, and the EP125 is certainly on my list. Too much bass gives my wife a headache though.
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#241341 - 01/18/09 10:47 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: Ken.C]
BoB/335 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/08
Posts: 505
 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
This is why this forum is dangerous... you end up buying way more than you thought! ;\)

I've tried to find the old comparison Peter, Adam and I did between the 50s and 22s, but I've had no luck with either search mechanism--I suspect the posts simply aren't in the system any longer. In short, they're both great speakers. The M50s definitely have a fatter sound, but the M22s have better imaging. Happily, I have the M80s now (as well as 22s and 50s), which combine the nice fat sound with incredible imaging and accuracy.

sorry, there we go again... ;\)


I've got NOTHING to say!

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#241362 - 01/18/09 11:21 PM Re: ..WHAT DO I DO--M22 OR M50 [Re: BoB/335]
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7032
Loc: Canada
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I've got NOTHING to say!

Too busy with your nose pressed up against the front window?
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