Get Free, Friendly, Expert Advice
Call 1-866-244-8796 or email

Designed and Manufactured in Canada Since 1980


AxiomAudio Blog

Blind Listening Tests

Sneak Peek into Axiom’s Current Research and Development

Axiom’s Newest Speaker: The In-Ceiling M3

Wall'O'Fame
Experimental Atmos
Greetings fellow Axiom owners...
Who's Online
2 registered (nickbuol, Socketman), 54 Guests and 6 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Financing
Forum Stats
13329 Members
11 Forums
22920 Topics
405210 Posts

Max Online: 378 @ 02/24/13 04:33 PM
Top Posters
Ken.C 17789
pmbuko 16289
SirQuack 13340
CV 11236
MarkSJohnson 10942
Meanwhile On Facebook

Did you get your "Golden Email"? The great gift certificate email giveaway star...

Here's a helpful article for everyone looking at putting a new stereo or home th...

Interesting article about who's getting the money from streaming radio services...

Page 13 of 14 < 1 2 ... 11 12 13 14 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#247978 - 02/19/09 11:23 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: merchman]
Wid Offline
axiomite

Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6722
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
Do I dare cross the cheddar curtain \:D
_________________________
Rick


"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud


Top
#247979 - 02/19/09 11:26 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: Wid]
merchman Offline
aficionado

Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 834
Loc: WI
No good could come from that.
_________________________
M80's(2), VP150, QS8's(2), M3's(4)

Top
#248038 - 02/20/09 12:43 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: Micah]
Zimm Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: Micah
Holy crap, I HATE it when I stumble across another subwoofer webpage, they always make me rethink my Axiom choice.

Take for instance the Epik Conquest. 1000 watts of power pushing a single 18 inch driver down to a claimed 12 hz, for a couple hundred less than the Axiom EP600. Does it sound as good as the Axiom? I have no clue, but the propaganda write up on their site sure makes me wonder. Then there's the Element Design A7 - 900 beast... 1300 watts pushing twin 18 inch down firing drivers in a monsterous 435 pound package, Jesus Christ!!! And at $2200 bucks it is in direct competition with the new EP800, only it packs more than 50% more power... gosh how does a guy stay loyal???


Perhaps I'm too superficial, but those subs don't look to have the build quality, R&D, or quality components to truly compete with the Axiom. I don't have an Axiom sub, I use B&W, but there have always been garage sub companies for car and home audio. And all are not equal. For those subs to be priced in the Axiom range tells more that Axiom is well priced than the quality of those. Most of the subs you cite look like they could be built in your garage with better parts - (like non-Bash amps, and drivers with real magnets). Compare to something like a JL JL Parts or B&W B&W or other known sub entity. Some cost is just marketing and name recognition, but some of it is quality and R&D. $2,200 is not cheap, to me anyway, and I would be hesitant to drop that on a complete unknown. Axiom is not traditional, but clearly not an unknown. Not saying there are not better values, just that every multiple driver 1000 watt sub is not created equal. Heck, see the highly acclaimed Gotham and check the price for a true high end dual driver high watt sub: JL


Edited by Zimm (02/20/09 12:55 PM)
_________________________
Panny 3000 PJ, 118" Carada, Denon 3300, PS3, Axiom QS8, PSB 5T, B&W sub, levitating speaker wire

Top
#248042 - 02/20/09 12:54 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: Zimm]
fredk Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7139
Loc: Canada
The feedback on Epik subs is pretty good. They may not look purdy, but they sound good.

Once you get up in the $1000+ range, you start go get into a lot of options. For $1000 you can build a sub using a high quality 18" driver that will probably outperform most commercial subs.

The 13W7 driver used in the Gotham is above $600 retail. For less than that, you can pick up an amazing 18" driver.

I'm not saying that the EP800 does not offer good value, but there sure do seem to be a lot of good choices out there these days.
_________________________
Fred

-------
Blujays1: Spending Fred's money one bottle at a time, no two... Oh crap!

Top
#248044 - 02/20/09 01:01 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: fredk]
Zimm Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
All true. I've made many sealed and ported sub enclosures for 10 - 12 inch drivers and I know getting deep tight bass does not require $3000. I guess it is the DIY in me that says some of these that look like they were built in a garage and have no greater tech than a good driver with a good amp should not cost so much. The JL, the B&W, the Axiom, appear to have been tuned and designed in ways that add value. there is a threshold cost where you should get more than a box, driver, and amp. You should get R&D, drivers selected for that box and that amp, etc. Just my opinion, no doubt about that part.
_________________________
Panny 3000 PJ, 118" Carada, Denon 3300, PS3, Axiom QS8, PSB 5T, B&W sub, levitating speaker wire

Top
#248105 - 02/20/09 06:21 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: Zimm]
fredk Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7139
Loc: Canada
 Quote:
there is a threshold cost where you should get more than a box, driver, and amp.

Well, any sub should give you more than that, and DIY is more than just slapping stuff together. Given the design software available, you selecting an amp and designing an enclosure with the characteristics you are looking for. Because there is already a crossover in the receiver, that design issue is taken out of the equation. Where DIY falls short is that most of us are not able to do proper real world evaluation of our creation and then tweek until you get the best possible match.

Where commercial subs offer the most value is in getting a lot of low end performance out of a small package. In the DIY world, the EP800 is considered a relatively small package. \:o

Even there, it is getting easier to do this DIY with a large linear driver and an active crossover/eq box like the Behringer DCX2496.
_________________________
Fred

-------
Blujays1: Spending Fred's money one bottle at a time, no two... Oh crap!

Top
#248149 - 02/20/09 11:35 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: fredk]
Micah Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1789
Loc: Indiana you hoser!!!!
I'm still reeling from the 435 pound Element Design A7. I mean that's four times as heavy as the just about anything else out there, what in the world did they do, build it out of pure lead? I've always associated a heavy sub with quality. When ever I've picked up a sub box that was light as a feather I automatically assume it's junk. So the curiosity as to why the A7 weighs as much as the 1000cc motorcycle sitting out in my garage is absolutely killing me! I may just be a big marketing ploy, but I'd love to know why it's so heavy.

As far as JL goes, I bought a sub box for my car a few years back (which got stollen before I even got a chance to hear it!), the JL CVS210RG-W6v2 Prowedge. Unfortunately I never got to know how sweet it sounded, but I remember as I was researching sub box's I really wished they would have had one with two 10 inch woofers to keep things tight, and one 12 or even 13 inch woofer in the middle to hit the lower notes.

I don't even know if that would be feasible, but I would have loved to have built a box like that to try the concept out!
_________________________
My Stuff :

M80's
QS8's
VP150
EP800
Denon 4802
Emotiva XPA-3
Samsung BD-P3600
Sharp 65 Inch Aquos LCD

Top
#248150 - 02/20/09 11:39 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: Micah]
SirQuack Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13340
Loc: Iowa
And to think eD is only 30 minutes away.
_________________________
M80s-VP180-QS8s-EP600-2xEP350 Denon3808 Outlaw7700
M22-OWM22-VP100-Denon2805
Audio Nirvana

Top
#248193 - 02/21/09 01:30 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: SirQuack]
casey01 Offline
aficionado

Registered: 07/03/08
Posts: 768
Loc: Toronto
Back several months ago, I looked in to the "Epik" sub line, especially since they seem to get pretty good reviews. The strange thing lately is that they seem to be in a constant state of "out-of-stock" on some models which has been going on for weeks. The other ironic thing is although their "Bash" amps, which are built by Indigo mfg. in Toronto, they no longer ship to Canada???

They did at one time but their shipping costs were WAY out of line.

Top
#248201 - 02/21/09 02:17 PM Re: Sub Choice... [Re: casey01]
Adrian Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 6613
Loc: It's all about the location.
Not sure why some of the American Audio co's haven't set up a distributorship in Canada, particularily in S. Ontario. I'm sure Hsu, Outlaw and the like would do fairly well here, and with a distribution centre, get away from the silly shipping costs they are charging.
_________________________
Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Top
Page 13 of 14 < 1 2 ... 11 12 13 14 >



Moderator:  alan, Amie, Andrew, axiomadmin, Brent, Debbie, Ian, Jc 

Home  |  Corporate Info  |  Products  |  Message Board  |  FAQs  |  Warranty  |  Site Map  |  Privacy Statement   |  Contact Us

©2014 Colquhoun Audio Laboratories Limited
All Rights Reserved.