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#255131 - 04/02/09 04:24 PM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: JohnK]
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Registered: 12/08/08
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 Originally Posted By: JohnK
Charles, still paying on those loans after 9 years? Of course, maybe if you'd have spent a bit less on wire...


They were not stupid, they knew I had a better chance to pay the longer the note lasted, so 20 years it is. 3 years in law school, 20 years paying it off. Somehow that math made perfect sense when I signed the papers. Thankfully I am not alone!
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#255198 - 04/02/09 10:34 PM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: Zimm]
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Yeah Charles, maybe if you hadn't put in the part of the loan application that asked about "interests", that you were into "audio equipment" they would have been more confident that your practice(hope it's going well)would support a shorter payback.
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#255225 - 04/03/09 03:17 AM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: davekro]
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So I listened yesterday to RF-63s with a Marantz receiver. It seemed pretty lacking in the bass department. I tried other speakers too, and other floorstanders did better with bass (especially low end bass) than the klipsch. That has mostly to do with the crossover, right? I was pretty disappointed. I wonder how the RF-35s would compare to the RF-63s I heard.

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#255248 - 04/03/09 09:36 AM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: dmbartender]
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Floorstanding speakers in general usually have better bass response than bookshelfs. As you said, a lot has to do with how the receiver is setup, for example, crossover, speaker size, position in the room, etc... The Axiom m60's and m80's have killer bass without a sub, I've held many auditions in my house, and the people don't believe me when I tell them the sub's are turned off.
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#255254 - 04/03/09 10:24 AM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: SirQuack]
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 Originally Posted By: sirquack
The Axiom m60's and m80's have killer bass without a sub, I've held many auditions in my house, and the people don't believe me when I tell them the sub's are turned off.

When Ken was auditioning his M80's for me, the sub was off for a while. Neither of us noticed. Turning the sub on did add more low end, but the speakers did not feel at all lacking in bass w/o a sub!
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#255257 - 04/03/09 10:44 AM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: davekro]
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Interesting.

My M80's have never had what I'd call "killer bass". It must be my room, or the placement, or the amplification that I've used, or the music I listen to (Jazz, Classical, some Electronica) or my expectations of what amazing bass should be. Or maybe a combination of all of the above. At least compared with other full-range tower speakers that I've heard that have much larger bass drivers, with like 8-10+" woofer cones.

I did spend a couple of years in high school with various car audio systems that had a couple of 10" or 12" subs backed by 500+ watts, so my expectations of "killer bass" would be something close to being able to remove tooth fillings. ;\)

There's a pretty significant difference in SQ between running my M80's alone in full-range mode vs crossing them @ 50-80hz with my sub. They sound fine running full range, obviously better than my M22's. But there's a lot of low-end lushness and presence that a sub brings to the picture that my M80's alone can't touch. Especially on more bass-heavy music.


Edited by PeterChenoweth (04/03/09 11:02 AM)
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#255264 - 04/03/09 12:06 PM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: PeterChenoweth]
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I'm the last person to talk amps with any authority, but I think the deep end of the pool presses an amp much harder than the 200hz and over levels. So, given your experience with amps, perhaps the issue is more an issue with your amp not having the headroom to dump a hard 50hz signal, whereas the sub has its own amp made to run in that end of the pool.

Just an uninformed guess. That's what you were looking for...right?
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#255266 - 04/03/09 12:18 PM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: Zimm]
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Registered: 02/12/09
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Loc: Discovery Bay, CA
 Originally Posted By: Zimm

Just an uninformed guess. That's what you were looking for...right?


Charles,
In that case, I'm %&*^* expert in uniformed guesses! (second to you of course) \:\)

PS. Speaking of uninformed chatter, I just noticed that this type of post increases the post count exponentially! Hell,I'll be to 10k next week! ;\)


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#255281 - 04/03/09 12:42 PM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: dmbartender]
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Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: dmbartender
So I listened yesterday to RF-63s with a Marantz receiver. It seemed pretty lacking in the bass department. I tried other speakers too, and other floorstanders did better with bass (especially low end bass) than the klipsch. That has mostly to do with the crossover, right? I was pretty disappointed. I wonder how the RF-35s would compare to the RF-63s I heard.


I may have misunderstood your question, but the Klipsch bass response is not excused by the cross over, unless crossed over really high. If the other floor models you heard were on the same amp, then the bass response was apples to apples. If you were moving rooms, and AVRs, who knows. But the dealer should know to set them to full range if you are looking at buying floor standing speakers. In short, don't blame the crossover.
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#255332 - 04/03/09 03:48 PM Re: 2 bookshelf + sub, or 2 floorstanding speakers? [Re: Zimm]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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I remember hearing those Klipsch speakers 3-4 months ago and they never sruck me as lacking in bass. Could be that people end up remembering the "Klipsch Highs" after auditioning and tend to forget the bass as an afterthought. Of the dozen or so speakers I auditioned before buying Axioms, I don't recall any of them going as deep as the M80s, though(inc. P'digm Monitor/Studio, Monitor Aud RS series, Klipsch, Energy, PSB, Polk, Mission, JBL ect).
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