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#25914 - 11/18/03 04:32 PM M22Ti's mounted sidway
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I am in the market for some new speakers. Unfortunately, the space in my entertainment cabinet is only 12inches(h) by 20inches(w). This would be perfect for the M22Ti mounted on its side with some kind of rubber "buttons" stuck on the side of the speaker cabinet. I emailed axiom and was told it wasnt recommended because it would negatively affect the dispersion parameters. I'm not sure what that means but has anyone ever mounted their bookshelf speakers on their sides? I'm very impressed with what I've read on the speaker and really want to make them work. Thanks for any advice. Eric
I also plan to buy the VP150 center channel.

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#25915 - 11/18/03 05:49 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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It's the consensus on this board that mounting any vertically-designed Axiom speaker sideways is not a good idea.

The tweeters are designed for good horizontal dispersion. If you place them on their sides, they'll disperse vertically instead. This will most likely adversely affect their most cherished qualities: detailed imaging and soundstage depth.

Another reason not to put them in your entertainment center is that the M22ti speakers are rear-ported, and thus need clear airspace behind them. Putting them in an enclosed space like the one you describe will adverseley affect their sound.

Hope this helps your decision.
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#25916 - 11/18/03 05:56 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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Just to play devil's advocate... how can a round speaker be designed for horizontal or vertial dispersion? It's... round.
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#25917 - 11/18/03 06:09 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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Although the drivers themselves are round....they are aligned vertically.....so putting a speaker on its side changes it's orientation and dispurtion characteristics.

Also some tweeters are designed with defraction lenses to alter dispurtion characteristics.....turning the lense would change it characteristics.

Also...the shape of the enclosure can also play a big part on its imaging characteristics as well.


Edited by curtis (11/18/03 06:10 PM)

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#25918 - 11/18/03 06:15 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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OK, if the cabinet matters why do centers work? (mind you, I'm just asking the questions, not saying you're wrong)
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#25919 - 11/18/03 06:27 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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Not a whole lot of imaging can be created from one center channel.

Center channels are also hindered to some extent when placed on top or under a TV.....the face of a TV creates a baffle.

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#25920 - 11/18/03 07:53 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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I found a good explanation of horizontal vs. vertical placement here:

http://www.futuremusic.co.uk/fm_mmusic.asp?ID=6809&PageNo=6
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#25921 - 11/18/03 08:36 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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OK. I'll buy that. Now I understand johnk's argument for vertical centers better, too. I still wonder a bit why the TMMMT arrangement of the VP150 works so well. Hmm... I suppose when there's more drivers, there's more dispersal. Therefore, could one use VP150s as fronts as well as the center?
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#25922 - 11/18/03 10:51 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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In reply to:

Therefore, could one use VP150s as fronts as well as the center?




Good question Ken! You've got me curious.
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#25923 - 11/18/03 10:57 PM Re: M22Ti's mounted sidway
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Pricy, but interesting...
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