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#269345 - 08/14/09 11:22 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: grunt]
Adrian Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
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Loc: It's all about the location.
I get some ghosting on my Samsung 6 series on some TV stations. I'm not sure if this is because those stations are not in HD or if it's the TV, but I didn't really expect to see that on a 120hz system.
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#269408 - 08/15/09 03:42 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: Adrian]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Loc: New Orleans
Just to confuse the issue more, the Saints game (via a crappy local HD telecast) did NOT present this problem. It is very strange and hard to explain. Tennis is fine, even with 130mph serves - no blur. 99% of Football is fine, pans are done perfect, no pixelation, no stair steps, etc. The only issue I have seen is a throw from third base to first and a deep bomb pass. On each, on some broadcast, you get a very weird "hyperspace" effect. In essences, the ball non longer takes up a single block of pixels, but looks like a Star Trek ship in hyperspace where the ball is 6 times longer than it should be, almost like a trial behind the ball. I made sure it was on "Fast" motion last night so perhaps that helps.

Sorry to toss out problems without in depth answers, but I know Dean and others were contemplating a purchase. I feel certain that over the next few weeks I can watch enough good format football to give some test answers. Just hard to reproduce that kind of broadcast for testing. I'll try to DVR a few bombs if I can nail it down. Either way, I'll figure it out as I watch hours of football starting the first second it's on. But, 99% of football is great. Heck, at 120" it is better than live. Even the girls in the group said they did not know how they could watch football on their little 50" plasmas when they got home. I liked that!
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#269409 - 08/15/09 03:51 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: Zimm]
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Registered: 08/27/07
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Do not underestimate that the blurs are often present from the source (camera adjustments, layers of processing to add the fake lines...). It is not always the TV that does the "hyperspace effects".
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#269410 - 08/15/09 03:52 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: Zimm]
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Is it a case of some networks broadcasting 1080i v. 720P?
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#269433 - 08/15/09 08:33 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: MarkSJohnson]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Is it a case of some networks broadcasting 1080i v. 720P?


It could be, which is why I hesitated to over react. But ESPN is generally one of the best pictures here. HBO, on the other hand is BAAAADDD. So when I say hyperspace balls on ESPN I was not pleased. I watched the entire Saints game (yes, they won) and never saw the problem.

At this point, I just don't know. But still, if I had to rate the projector - 4 out of 5 at worst, and I consider this issue pretty huge, so that is a damn good rating. For less than a top plasma, I got a 120" 1080p image that is awesome.
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#274979 - 10/14/09 02:08 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: Zimm]
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 3569
Loc: Nirvana
Well Zimm I finally did it. Ordered an AE4000 and a Carada Brilliant White 134” 1.78 screen yesterday. Your feedback here helped me make my choice so I just wanted to say thanks.

Cheers,
Dean
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#274981 - 10/14/09 02:31 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: grunt]
CV Offline
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Registered: 07/20/06
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Oh, man, I'm jealous. I can't wait to read about you setting it all up.

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#274984 - 10/14/09 02:48 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: grunt]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: grunt
Well Zimm I finally did it. Ordered an AE4000 and a Carada Brilliant White 134” 1.78 screen yesterday. Your feedback here helped me make my choice so I just wanted to say thanks.


They already have 4000? Mine is a 3000. Great, now I have lumens envy again!

It really has been great, you won't regret it. And the Carada screen is fantastic, even close up. 134" is BIG - mine is 118" but the wife says its the way i use it, not the size of my screen that matters. The wife and I were just saying last night how impressive the image is to watch anything. Football is just real. Even and old DVD of Swiss Family Robinson was great. The old grain was there, but it was shocking how the old film felt old, but had really great images of a great setting. Still working on a bit of red push, but have not calibrated yet (too busy enjoying it!).

And video games are just sick - but watch out for the lag!
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#275000 - 10/14/09 03:32 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: Zimm]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 3569
Loc: Nirvana
Here’s what U.S. sites have out on it so far:

Projector Central

Projector Reviews Blog

I figured I’d dragged my feet long enough I waited for the CEDIA conference unfortunately Panasonic didn’t announce the AE4000 for the U.S. Meanwhile I was talking with some high end custom installers who got back to me Monday with a great deal on a JVS HS20. When I told him about the AE4000 announcement he looked it up while I was talking with him and said for my needs the AE4000 was a no-brainer.

The screen is huge. I spent the weekend with my HDTV in various locations to simulate screen sizes I have taped to my wall. It came down to a 126” or the 134” as the 142” was just way to big. I emailed Carada about my intentions and they said that they didn’t see any problems with my using a 134” screen with the AE4000 in my room. Should I find the lumens aren’t enough or the screen is just too high with the M80s center for other viewers (my test showed no problems for me) I have a couple of options. One is just to mask the screen down to a usable surface area for projector brightness and height. And since I can’t actually mount the screen to the wall (no wall for 2/3s of the width) I plan to make it adjustable in height so I could drop it down and switch to M22 center(s) if needed.
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#275003 - 10/14/09 03:41 PM Re: Two Cents Wanted - AVR, PR, Screen [Re: grunt]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
Honestly, I don't think you will mask it. With the light control you have, I don't see a problem in your future.
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