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#267742 - 07/31/09 08:57 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: th3at3rguy]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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 Originally Posted By: Guy

…should the volume always be up all the way on a sub?


Only if you are outside a safe distance from any structures. ;\) When I got mine I misread the manual and set the volume knob to the 9 O’clock position (the manual said half way between 6 and 9). The very low frequency sound from the calibration disk started rattling windows, dishes in the kitchen and something inside the TV before I could find the pause button.

Assuming the orientation of the volume knob is that same on yours try setting it to half way between 6-9 O’clock. Crossover at 80 for all speakers. Don’t use LFE+mains or whatever setting your receiver has for sending the signal to both the subwoofer and the mains. From there you can try adjusting the subwoofer level in the receiver’s channel level menu up or down by ear until you hear what you like.

Another possibility is placement. Try waling around the room to see if you hear the rumble everywhere or just at your seating. If it sounds better in other parts of the room then tweaking the volume controls isn’t going to help much. If you can you might want to try other locations for the sub or move your seating a little.
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#267743 - 07/31/09 09:37 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: EFalardeau]
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Registered: 06/10/09
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Loc: Michigan
Ya I know I was trying to explain everything there. Well does anyone own my configuration 2 M22s with the EP500? Are you saying the volume control on the back of the EP500 should only be turned to about 10 o clock when pared with the M22 speakers that would be barely using it. Jeez why did they even recommend the EP500 with my stuff if it is so much of an overkill? No big deal I am going to put one in my living room anyways. OK after turning the sub volume down what else can I do that I havent done. I justed wanted more bass with my music I didnt like the 175 I had that upp all the way it just seemed weak. I dont understand why my 400 dollar 5.1 Klipsch system on my computer sounds better with music(NOT MOVIES) than my new $3000 system. It has to be set way off.


Edited by th3at3rguy (07/31/09 09:47 PM)

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#267744 - 07/31/09 09:42 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: th3at3rguy]
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Registered: 08/27/07
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Loc: Laval, Quebec, Canada
The dial is for gain. Axiom cannot predict in advance how strong/weak your source signal will be. The dial assumes the worst. Your receiver is not the worst. Your receiver + EP500 at 20% propabaly leads to 500WATTS peaks. A weaks source + EP500 at max equals 500WATTS. It's all relative.

You need to get an SPL meter and measure the actual level you need to set your sub to match your speakers and your receiver's configuration. There are no pre-determined answers, except that it is unlikely that your sub needs to be more than 20-30% with modern days equipment.
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#267746 - 07/31/09 09:49 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: EFalardeau]
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I have an SPL meter what next. My A/V is the sherwood R772 at 105W/channel. I got that spl meter with a calibration disc which I watched but it didnt really tell me alot . Most of it (because it tells how to hook up your whole system) I have allready done. My system is hooked up right. I tried the SPL part. And then its like I hardly have any bass at all. Now I know what everyone meant when I said I was getting the 500 and sending back my 175 because I thought it was lacking bass musically but it was OK for movies. Everyone said its the other way around for them. Yup now I get it the 175 is better matched for the M22s.


Edited by th3at3rguy (07/31/09 09:57 PM)

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#267747 - 07/31/09 09:55 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: th3at3rguy]
EFalardeau Offline
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Registered: 08/27/07
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Loc: Laval, Quebec, Canada
The manual for your receiver should have the rest of the instructions (how to generate the test signals and adjust all channels). Otherwise, there are DVD disks such as Avia that can help you. Some people here might be familiar with your receiver and be more precise.

In any case, I have to leave for a while, but you are in good hands around here.
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#267749 - 07/31/09 09:58 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: EFalardeau]
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Registered: 08/27/07
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Loc: Laval, Quebec, Canada
We cross-posted.
May be you should try compromises between the setup disks that give you too little bass and moving the dial all the way up wich gives you too much.
Some of it is linked to what you like and dislike as bass!
Again, good luck as I am really going now! ;\)
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#267750 - 07/31/09 09:58 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: EFalardeau]
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Registered: 06/10/09
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Loc: Michigan
Ya thanks I got the Avia disc and did what it said and now I hardly have any bass I cant get a happy medium for some reason its either too much or too little. My system is the epic grand master 500 with the sherwood R772 so I guess its all matched. I would like to try and do it all myself but if I cant I am calling the Geek Squad from bestbuy do they do that does anyone know?


Edited by th3at3rguy (07/31/09 10:08 PM)

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#267751 - 07/31/09 10:01 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: th3at3rguy]
EFalardeau Offline
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Registered: 08/27/07
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Loc: Laval, Quebec, Canada
Sub placement might be your next area of exploration. Depending on your room, you might be sitting in a cross-fire that nulls or boots bass frequencies. Try different positions for your sub and see how it affects your situation.
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#267752 - 07/31/09 10:06 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: EFalardeau]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6717
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.

You also do not want to sit mid way into the room. How far is your seating area from the back wall and what is your room length?
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#267753 - 07/31/09 10:09 PM Re: Changes to EP500? [Re: EFalardeau]
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Loc: Iowa
th3at3rguy,

Every room is different, we can't tell you what adjustment's to make with your sub/m22's/and your room. We can give you pointers. There is no way you want the volume (gain) on the back of the sub cranked all the way. Most of us have our EP500's and EP600's set very low, around 6-7 o'clock on the knob.

You want to run the built in test tones on the receiver and use an SPL meter, to calibrate everything to about 75dB's. You do this by adjusting the speakers and sub levels on the receivers setup menu up/down until they are at the same dB levels. Many receivers have a built in test tone and microphone that you place in the primary seat, this will also adjust the distance and levels without needing an SPL meter.
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