YES FEED ME FEED ME!

I want answers to the last post as I find it very... anomalous LOL

Solid-State

Pardon me while I go drop a solid.

Justin, you're ignoring the fact that those measurements published in SoundStage are actually done by the NRC(National Research Council of Canada), which over the past 30 years or so has become recognized as the most experienced and trustworthy independent laboratory testing speakers.

You've obviously bought into a plethora of audio mythologies which have failed when put to the(controlled double-blind listening)test.

John, please explain why Ian introduced the harmonic distortion at 2k with the V2 changes? Perhaps it's an artifact caused by correcting issues from 1k down that plagued the Ti units? The FR is all over the place from 1k down on the old Ti! Sure he fixed this but it added distortion at 2k and I believe it's underplayed by the NRC results. What was the change from ti to v2 anyway? I thought it was mostly a reworked crossover? You know I like the speakers ok... they are good "duty" and a good "price point" and the custom finishes have helped create some lovely installs for me... but what about the VP150 ehh? Why hasn't this product been reworked? I mean with all that test gear and even an environment chamber (toy) and fantastic Anechoic Chamber (not a toy) added in house have not resulted in a design change in a DECADE! They love those Indian metal drivers and have not sourced anything different in a decade and are still using titanium tweeters. The motor design on the tweet isn't of high enough caliber to prevent 2nd and 3rd order harmonics at 25KHz and to source one that doesn't would be hard these days no? OK even in Ian and the boys designed the motor and have tight controls on it's fab I can't help but think it's so... 1980s Is this not why just about everyone else out there at this price point are using silk or something other than titanium? I can tell you the only logic I can come up with why the VP150 driver arrangement still stands is ego... ego like I've been victim to in this forum. If Axiom does all this stringent in house testing with that fancy building and all it's test lab gear why have the speakers not changed fundamentally in a decade in terms of design and materials used?

Solid-State

PS I'm now pulling off the gloves

PPS - You are a very scary and unlikeable internet person.

PPPS - And... Obsessive.

Is the Axiom tweet not a Dayton DC25T-8 ? It looks like they also use Dayton ODM woofers. This is not a good bad thing... just an observation. Owh and it sells for 16 bucks at parts express... Personally I would have used a Vifa D25AG-35 if I liked titanium tweets. It would add 32 bucks to the cost of fabricating the M80v2 though. Again just an observation...

Just like the Axiom philosophy it has a best bang for the buck rating.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=275-045&vReviewShow=1&vReviewRand=2010553

This comment is interesting,
"I experimented with these tweeters several years ago with frustrating results. Although the Fs will allow a crossover point of 3,000 Hz. with a second order filter, the sound quality was sharp, shrill and pingy...very metallic and colored. When I applied it in a smaller 3-way (8"woofer,4"midrange),it sounded very nice crossed over at 5,000 Hz. with a second order filter,although proper attenuation was critical. Several years ago, Bill Duddleston of Legacy Audio used a modified version of this tweeter for his "Studio" model speaker and crossed it over at 2,800 Hz. I,however, would not recommend doing that on this stock model. If you're building a small 3-way and are crossing over anywhere above 4,500 Hz or so, then you can't beat the sound for the price."

And you guys wonder why I worry about the crossover? I really find it funny a lot of you are more concerned about the bracket frays in the M80's innards than a very critical component in a 6 driver 3 way like the M80, the x-over.


Solid-State

OK I'm one click away from purchasing 4 Dayton DC28F-8 to replace the DC25T(S?)-8 I honestly believe these tweeters will satisfy my issues with the M80. I hope the crossover works well with them. I'm sorry if I've been a jerk in anyway or have hurt any feelings. I really love Axiom products please understand that Axiomites. Just not the VP150 or the issues discussed in the thread. I'm sorry if I insulted anyone inside Axiom as well. I totally bow to their engineering prowess and their ability to bring a product to market with such a great price point. I just simply am not religious or fanatical about products like you guys are. And I don't believe most review sites until I hear it with my own ears. Specially with the conflict of interest due to clickthrough profits. You guys ever notice how on the Audioholics website that the "Axiom Audio Epic 80-600 System Review" is still front and center on the index page. Owhh wait it changed from the Epic 80-400 to the 600 system with the bigger sub. I'm not sure why it's been there for two years but it could have something to do with Audioholics sourcing speakers from the mormons and they feel it's a way to "make up" or "olive branch" or perhaps it happened in the other direction and Axiom wouldn't source speakers to Audioholics or perhaps use the CnC mills that bitched my uncle's build... who knows and who cares... All I know is in the end each side loses... no clickthrough profit and no traffic so sales drop. Those friggin mormons... ROTFL that's the reason I'm not religious!

One thing is for certain... these guys are a cut above the $500 buck power cord dudes that's for friggin sure! I dunno if that's saying much though in this brutally dishonest industry. I'll now leave all you guys alone...

Solid-State

Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.
-Mark Twain

Apology accepted?