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#274391 - 10/07/09 03:53 PM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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#274396 - 10/07/09 05:01 PM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: Adrian]
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Arnie's from Gorgia?
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#274421 - 10/07/09 10:45 PM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: Zimm]
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Charles, note that Alan spoke of 30dB over a pianissimo passage, not over average level. Many of the classical CDs which I own have a range on the order of 50dB from the quietest pianissimo to the loudest peaks, which again, are handled well by typical receivers in the 100-150 watt area.
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#274435 - 10/08/09 12:19 AM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: JohnK]
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I think Zimm's comments describe the thoughts I had relative to showing M80's at their finest. I have a very good and critical ear and am sensitive to high transients and detailed mid-range inner voices and just about everything else. My understanding about equipment on the order of B&K is that these details would be produced to a better degree and with a reserve of power that at higher levels would be as clear and natural (or neutral) sounding as at lower levels. Mark's suggestion is one I've considered but for now I haven't the room to add mono blocks. I could however live with Outlaw's preamp and amp combination, but I think the B&K for some reason is still my preference. I am open to other suggestions. As a rule I am a thorough researcher on any products I buy. Next to a house and a car, this is going to be a big item purchase for me and my technical knowledge is residual carryover from the 90's! I've learned a great deal from this forum and all of your comments have been instructive. I've stayed with the thought of buying Axioms...read all about the angst regarding upgrading so I think the M80's or maybe 60's would do the trick for me. The main reason I am leaning toward the 80's is for its bass reproduction and apparently better defined highs (that is my conclusion from my reading). In any case thanks for taking the time to respond...Lee

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#274438 - 10/08/09 02:37 AM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: Captain4105]
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 Originally Posted By: Captain4105
I have a very good and critical ear and am sensitive to high transients and detailed mid-range inner voices and just about everything else.


I thought it was low level street transients who are sensitive to inner voices...... \:D
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#274443 - 10/08/09 05:04 AM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: real80sman]
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#274482 - 10/08/09 05:03 PM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: Captain4105]
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 Originally Posted By: Captain4105
I think Zimm's comments describe the thoughts I had relative to showing M80's at their finest. I have a very good and critical ear and am sensitive to high transients and detailed mid-range inner voices and just about everything else.


CRAP. Lee just unintentionally threw me under the bus...before backing up and then speeding away. Now JohnK is going to say those of us with golden ears should definitely buy the more expensive gear...as he snickers! \:\(

There is a gap of agreement on the issue of power needs, but my research (um, well that is a strong word) indicates those with loud (95db and up) comfort levels need stronger amps to keep those 15 and 30 and 50 db spikes well controlled. John accurately notes hearing damage can (does) occur at those volumes after some period of time. But if I don't turn it up, I can't hear over that constant buzz in my ears!

But my enjoyment of music has, since childhood, been tied to feeling music not purely hearing it. I love the feel of guitar strings being plucked, or drums thumping in my gut - the way I feel at a live performance, even with soft Jazz. I don't get that at 75db in my system. It is all a matter of taste - I mean preference, not that John has no taste. As Alan said, "JohnK's comments notwithstanding, I always applaud buying lots of power output." There must be some reason for that - well besides Axiom making a 1,000 beast of an amp.

(Was that long enough for everyone to forget the golden ear inference???? )
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#274484 - 10/08/09 05:08 PM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: Zimm]
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 Originally Posted By: Zimm
I can't hear over that constant buzz in my ears!

Mark!!

You and your mortiser are needed at Charles' house \:D
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#274486 - 10/08/09 05:10 PM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: Adrian]
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\:D

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#274512 - 10/08/09 08:41 PM Re: B&K Receiver for M80's [Re: Zimm]
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 Originally Posted By: Zimm
But my enjoyment of music has, since childhood, been tied to feeling music not purely hearing it. I love the feel of guitar strings being plucked, or drums thumping in my gut - the way I feel at a live performance, even with soft Jazz. I don't get that at 75db in my system.


I get that.

I've always had the same feeling. And I've mentioned here before that when I had a very powerful NAD amp in the past, if offered a feeling of "live" that I never got with a receiver. I had thought of it as better transients or attack.
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