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#278445 - 11/10/09 10:52 AM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: grunt]
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Thanks, that helps a lot. I was just thinking about downgrading to the M60's, but now I need to consider the M22's on stands with a sub, I was going to eventually get a sub anyway, regardless of speaker setup, just not right away. The ability to not have to be particular about speaker placement is a huge plus. $666 (wooo) with M22 plus stands, then $758 for ep350 later. Until I get a new receiver, I'm just going to splice these speakers onto my Sony 100 wpc HT in a box for the left and right channels.

I like the larger center with the double tweeters for a more wide sound field effect, but would this be overkill with the M22?
Sorry about so many questions, but I think others could benefit from my quandary also.

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#278455 - 11/10/09 11:53 AM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: CatBrat]
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In a room that small the VP100 is probably sufficient, it does fine if you're not more than about 12' from it. Of course if it is for movies only you may want to splurge on the 150 as so much of a movies content comes through the center. You can always try the 100 and trade it on a 150 within 30 days if you so decide. Even if you buy the 100 and move to a larger room later, Axioms trade-in program is very good, they usually give you top dollar for the old speaker(s).

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#278463 - 11/10/09 12:24 PM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: Potatohead]
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Ok, I just ordered the M22s and stands to start my 30 day trial. I'll let you know what I think of them later. I just won't have a quality receiver to drive them for a few months, though.

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#278466 - 11/10/09 12:31 PM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: CatBrat]
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Very cool

What finish are you going with?

Keep in mind if you don't currently have a sub you may find the bottom end slightly lacking, so perhaps throw that negative out the window for now.

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#278480 - 11/10/09 01:30 PM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: Potatohead]
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I got the cherry by default because I didn't like the other 3, and I didn't want to pay the diff for the other finishes, especially when it comes to making all of the other speakers match.

I'm aware of the low end response. I printed out the 2 graphs of freq response of the M22 and the M60 and when you hold them up and overlay them, they are very close, except for the lower base region. My current system has a cheap subwoofer, so it will help some until I can get another one.

I'm not sure what will happen when I connect M22 to it, but I'm expecting it to work. I'm not going to turn the volume up a lot because I don't want to damage the speakers. It's about a 4 year old Sony home theater in a box that was rated at 100 watts per channel. I'm just going to cut the clips off the end of the speaker wires and wire directly to the M22. (Reversing polarity on sound checks).

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#278484 - 11/10/09 01:38 PM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: CatBrat]
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 Originally Posted By: CatBrat
Thanks, that helps a lot. I was just thinking about downgrading to the M60's, but now I need to consider the M22's on stands with a sub, I was going to eventually get a sub anyway, regardless of speaker setup, just not right away. The ability to not have to be particular about speaker placement is a huge plus. $666 (wooo) with M22 plus stands, then $758 for ep350 later. Until I get a new receiver, I'm just going to splice these speakers onto my Sony 100 wpc HT in a box for the left and right channels.

I like the larger center with the double tweeters for a more wide sound field effect, but would this be overkill with the M22?
Sorry about so many questions, but I think others could benefit from my quandary also.


Personally if you can get the M60s but can’t manage both the M22s and a good sub at the same time then my preference would be for a pair of M60s as they will do great for music and ok for movies w/o a sub. The M22s will IMO sound a little thin for both music and movies w/o a sub.

One way to save some money toward a subwoofer is to make or locally purchase your own stands.

Also if you can fit one, using an M22 as a center speaker will IMO sound better than either a VP150 or VP100 and costs less than either of them. If used with M22 mains this will also give you the ideal setup of 3 identical speakers across the front. This is important for sound quality for the same reason people always use identical L/R speakers for stereo. Just like in stereo where the front 2 speaker share a lot of what playing so to does the center speaker in a multi-channel setup. Having a disimilar center speaker is obviously not a deal breaker as that’s what most people happily use, however to some of us using the same or more similar center to the mains is a noticeable improvement in sound quality. BTW I put my money where my mouth is and bought a third M80 as a center speaker.

Opps should have kept reading didn’t see you already placed the order. Well what I said about matching your center to the mains still stands. Since you already have a sub your M22s will sound great.

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#278491 - 11/10/09 02:23 PM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: CatBrat]
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Boston cherry is great, good friend of mine has that colour and the only reason I didn't get it was because he has it... lol

I hope they work out for you, let us know your thoughts when they arrive.

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#278510 - 11/10/09 03:13 PM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: Potatohead]
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Not to sound all negative here, but Sony's actual receivers have a reputation of falling flat on their specs when all channels are driven...I wouldn't be surprised if a Sony HTB system is only putting out a decent 10wpc....
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#278513 - 11/10/09 03:17 PM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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I wouldn't doubt it any. That's why I'm not turning the volume up a lot. Currently it's only driving some little wall mount speakers with approx two 1 1/2 inch speakers in them. The speaker wires are minimal in diameter also.

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#278517 - 11/10/09 03:49 PM Re: M60 vs M80 [Re: CatBrat]
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HTiB's usually only supply 20-18 gauge wiring which is sufficient for short runs especialy as the speakers they are driving require very little in the way of current as the drivers are usually small.
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