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#279559 - 11/18/09 12:15 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: Ken.C]
casey01 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
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Loc: Toronto
When it comes to the dual formats(DVD and BR discs), it would seem the "movie-makers" might be doing quite the opposite of what the forum discussion here is recommending. I read somewhere recently that at least one of the studios (Paramount, I believe), was going to start introducing the Blu-Ray disc(new flicks) on its own well in advance of the standard DVD release. Obviously, to encourage, "just a little" those that don't have a BR player to go out and buy one.

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#279564 - 11/18/09 12:20 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: casey01]
Argon Offline
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Registered: 07/24/04
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Loc: Oak Ridge, NC
Of course if you did market both the DVD and Blu in the same package, it would not be the same as a double album as it relates to the secondary purpose of seed separator. I think most would find them inadequate for the purpose.
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#279574 - 11/18/09 12:38 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: Ken.C]
jakewash Offline
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Sure it's a great idea, but the studios will never see it like that. They'll see it as, "Hey, we can charge $5 more for this movie! Those sucker's'll never notice. Morons."

It's been done. And they charged more for it. Dualdisc, anyone?
We can always hope, but sadly I know it is true, Disney looks to be charging a bit of a premium for thier movies right now and I would guess it is due to the dual disc issue \:\( . then again a premium for Disney discs is nothing new.
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#279607 - 11/18/09 03:21 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: Worfzara]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Hey Paul,

I don’t disagree with the differences between the upgrade from the older media and the newer but extend that one step further and the ultimate convenience is portable digital media and media-on-demand (if they can make accessing it as easy as picking a channel on your TV).

I ordered the Star Trek movie from Amazon and it’s a three-way bundle, Blu-ray, DVD and Digital copy. I really think the future of bundling is going to be Digital copies. I think the model it will follow is that of MP3 vs CD quality. While there will always be a demand for top quality anything the vast majority of people will sacrifice a little quality for convenience any day, just look at all the people who shop at Wallmart.

I’m not declaring Blu-ray a dead or dieing format I just don’t think it will become as ubiquitous as DVD at the present prices. Even if you bring the prices down it will still have to compete with “on demand” and other “digital copy” formats. Blu-ray needs to offer some added value other than just improved PQ and SQ which many people won’t see much advantage from playing on a smaller HDTV and w/o a good sound system. Not many people are going to notice a difference in lossy vs lossless audio on TV or HTIAB speakers.

I think the biggest advantage for bundling by studios might be the convenience for them in only needing one set of packaging and inventory streams to their venders. I imagine that venders like Wallmart scaling back there shelf space may even push the distributors more toward bundling to target as many customers as they can with less shelf space.

@ Charles - While the U.S. certainly lags behind in high speed internet due especially to the vastness of rural areas most of the target markets are urban and just as the rural U.S. lags behind in electrification and telephone service it will continue to lag in high speed internet unless satellite service becomes cheaper. I don’t see this being a significant factor slowing the growth of media-on-demand. As more people want the convenience of media-on-demand providers will upgrade their infrastructure accordingly. It’s just that right now most people don’t care about high definition on demand content. It’s up to early adopters like you ;\) (I’m usually second tier) to drive the demand and infuse the telecoms with the capital to expand.

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#279614 - 11/18/09 03:58 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: grunt]
Worfzara Offline
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Registered: 07/25/05
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Loc: London area, Ont, Canada
I guess it always frustrated me that when I purchase software; either record, tape, DVD, whatever, when newer technology comes out and I purchase the software again to get the better quality or convenience, I end up paying the artist twice. When I moved from records and tapes to CD's in the late 80's all my fav. artists got my money again. I don't know what the answer is, but it just doesn't seem right. I will gladly pay for the technology, but I should not have to pay the royalties. How you police it, probably impossible.

I agree that in the future the internet will be if not the main, but the only method of getting our software. It's only a matter of time. Like many of you have said, it's just a matter of compression and bandwith. Can you imagine a time when Blockbuster is a vitural company. Imagine the money they would saved. No more store fronts, employees, distribution costs, etc, and best of all, no more late fees.



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#279619 - 11/18/09 04:16 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: Worfzara]
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Personally, I am not so sure I will ever see HD content streaming from a store front on the net in my lifetime. I have a hard time seeing the companies involved forking out the kind of money required to upgrade the Internet back bones to handle the kind of bandwidth required to allow millions of people access to HD content considering their solution to everything right now is higher compression. \:\(
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#279793 - 11/19/09 02:13 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: jakewash]
Worfzara Offline
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Registered: 07/25/05
Posts: 709
Loc: London area, Ont, Canada
Hey, I noticed that one of the disks that came with my Star Trek Blu-ray is a "Digital Copy", but when I put it in my dvd player, nothing happens. Does anyone know what they mean by Digital Copy, what is this for?

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#279795 - 11/19/09 02:14 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: Worfzara]
Murph Offline
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Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 6884
Loc: PEI, Canada
I believe it means that you can store and play a copy of the movie on your PC, PS3, media player etc.


Edited by Murph (11/19/09 02:16 PM)
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#279797 - 11/19/09 02:22 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: Murph]
Worfzara Offline
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Registered: 07/25/05
Posts: 709
Loc: London area, Ont, Canada
Hey Murph,

That sounds right, when I put in it my notebook it prompts me to copy it. OK, that is cool. Now I have a whole bunch of other quetions.

1. What is the screen resolution for Digital Copies?
2. What is the audio mixed in 5.1 DD, TrueHD?
3. Can I burn this to a DVD if I had a DVD burner?
4. Is there a limit to the number of times I can copy it to my computer or someone elses computer?

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#279798 - 11/19/09 02:25 PM Re: DVD or Blu-ray - why not both! [Re: Worfzara]
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Registered: 08/27/07
Posts: 3271
Loc: Laval, Quebec, Canada

1. It depends on the movie. It ranges from lower than DVD and some are actually slightly higher than DVD
2. Stereo
3. Typically no as each hosting system uses DRM. You'll have to check.
4. Yes. There should be a "Fair Play" ID somewhere. I think it starts at 3 copies allowed.
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