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#282903 - 12/18/09 09:30 AM Re: Set on Axiom speakers, need avice [Re: jumbo_tron]
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Registered: 08/24/09
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The room is 11ft wide by 13ft deep with 7ft ceilings. Those aren't really bass traps, just regular acoustic panels...they don't contain nearly enough fiberglass board to stop low freq waves \:\) There are VERY few soft surfaces in the room, so I went with regular acoustic panels just to stop some of the mid- and high-freq echoes at the first and second reflection points. Please see the link I posted earlier in this thread to my home theater construction post...it shows pictures of how I made the acoustic panels. I'll be happy to PM you more detailed instructions, if you would like...just let me know.

jumbo-tron:

Thanks for the compliment, and by all means, please steal my design and improve on it! Looking back, there are so many things I would do differently now. Unfortunately, a very large portion of the room was alread finished when I decided to make it a dedicated home theater. If only I would have had unframed walls when I started the HT project...I would have hidden all the speaker wires in the walls, wall-mounted the TV, put the components in a separate room and installed an IR repeater system. Live and learn, I guess...

To all-

Glad to hear that there are others on these forums listening to industrial/metal...it does not seem as though I have run across many thread discussing this genre of music. I have to say that I listened to the "White Zombie, Greatest Hits: Past, Present, and Future" last night and was amazed at how well that CD is mixed and how great it sounded in DTS Neo:6. Amazing stuff!

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#282907 - 12/18/09 10:07 AM Re: Set on Axiom speakers, need avice [Re: BWeasner]
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Registered: 02/06/09
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Just wondering. You prefer DTS Neo:6 to Dolby Prologic IIx? I've tried both, and my preference for Dolby's processing is so much greater, than I even apply it to DTS 5.1 films to create the rear channels. Although, in that situation creating the rear from the existing surrounds they are very much the same. It's the upmixing of stereo to 7.1 with IIx Music which really shines in my opinion.
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#282912 - 12/18/09 10:30 AM Re: Set on Axiom speakers, need avice [Re: ClubNeon]
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I actually listen to music using both decoding methods. I have found some CDs sound much better in one or the other, while other CDs sound pretty much the same through both.

From my limited experience so far (let me stress the "limited"), I have found the the Dolby ProLogic II creates a MUCH more enveloping surround field than what DTS Neo:6 creates. However, sometimes I feel that this diffuse soundfield gives a bloated and somewhat less accurate feeling to the music. I've also found that Dolby ProLogicII will oftentimes place instruments in the virtual surround field when I don't think they should be there.

For example, "The Best of the Chieftains" CD has, for the most part, all of the instruments and musicians placed correctly in front of the listener. However, there are a few times when an instrument will join the song from the rear soundfield, which to me just sounds strange. It is not an ambient reflection, but almost like another musician decided to pick up and start playing away from the main group. This problem disappears when I switch the decoding to DTS Neo:6.

However, "KT Tunstall's: Eye to the Telescope" sounds flat and lifeless in DTS Neo:6. For that CD, the sound is much richer and more enveloping in Dolby ProLogicII. So I guess it all depends on the CD...or maybe it is my receiver???

For 2-channel movies (Netflix Roku box), I exclusively use Dolby ProLogicII cinema...sounds so much better than DTS!

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#282922 - 12/18/09 11:24 AM Re: Set on Axiom speakers, need avice [Re: BWeasner]
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I think that's what I liked so much about the PLIIx, the really enveloping sense it brings. Most of the music I listen to doesn't have an actual sound field. With the "instruments" being positioned with a pan pot, and reverb being created by an effects filter. So there's no illusion of space to recreate.
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#282947 - 12/18/09 01:27 PM Re: Set on Axiom speakers, need avice [Re: ClubNeon]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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 Originally Posted By: BWeasner

However, "KT Tunstall's: Eye to the Telescope" sounds flat and lifeless in DTS Neo:6. For that CD, the sound is much richer and more enveloping in Dolby ProLogicII. So I guess it all depends on the CD...or maybe it is my receiver???

You might be right. On my old Denon 2807 I universally preferred PLII and PLIIx, however now on my Onkyo 3007 it’s pretty much a coin toss whether PLII… or Neo:6 sounds better. So far I haven’t noticed any correlation between what sounds best in any given mode.
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#282959 - 12/18/09 02:03 PM Re: Set on Axiom speakers, need avice [Re: Seekinganswers]
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Registered: 05/14/09
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Loc: Vancouver
 Originally Posted By: Seekinganswers
Potatohead,

It's better to join the party late than never. Could you tell me what what type of receiver you are running?

Seeking


Denon 2310

Your 606 won't have any issues with either the 22's or the M60 IMO. It's a good mid level receiver. M80's may be another story, but really only if you really drive them hard for an extended period. It also decodes the new audio formats which is nice as well. I see no reason to upgrade it at all.





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#282962 - 12/18/09 02:23 PM Re: Set on Axiom speakers, need avice [Re: BWeasner]
Micah Offline
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Registered: 11/16/08
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Loc: Indiana you hoser!!!!
 Originally Posted By: BWeasner
Looking back, there are so many things I would do differently now. Unfortunately, a very large portion of the room was alread finished when I decided to make it a dedicated home theater. If only I would have had unframed walls when I started the HT project...I would have hidden all the speaker wires in the walls, wall-mounted the TV, put the components in a separate room and installed an IR repeater system. Live and learn, I guess...


It's never too late to hang a tv on the wall. Or hide the wires in the walls/ceiling. Well, if you're room is located in the basement, then hiding the wires might be too big of a headache to be worth it. Still, it can be done if you're a perfectionist who'll be forever torchered knowing they're not invisible. If you have an accessable ceiling then a 1/2 inch drill and a fish tape will do the job nicely.

 Originally Posted By: BWeasner
Glad to hear that there are others on these forums listening to industrial/metal...it does not seem as though I have run across many thread discussing this genre of music. I have to say that I listened to the "White Zombie, Greatest Hits: Past, Present, and Future" last night and was amazed at how well that CD is mixed and how great it sounded in DTS Neo:6. Amazing stuff!


I too am surprised and glad to hear others are up on Industial. Zombie, Manson, The Crystal Method and Prodigy are some of my modern favorites. But I grew up in the late 80's and 90's with the car stereo scene exploding. And for me, I was just so blown away by the way groups like Sputnik, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, NIN and others used mixing techniques to throw their sound effects all around the inside of my car. It was like surround sound before surround sound really became popular. Those guys pushed the envelope of sonic recording.

I know a lot of people dismiss it as rubbish, but I've always respected and enjoyed it.
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