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#285645 - 01/06/10 11:16 PM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: audiosavant]
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20 watts is 20 watts.
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#285646 - 01/06/10 11:26 PM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: Wid]
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 Originally Posted By: wid

I'd be quite honest here. I would spend that $4800 on speakers and the $1300 on an amp. That's just me though.


Funny you should say that. I was planning on getting the Gallo Ref 3's or the ZuDruids and then spend about $1500.00 on an amplifier before becoming an Axiomite.

But since getting my M22's, I am firmly in the Axiom camp right now. Super bang for buck.

And I want a real quality "purist" two channel set-up for the M80's. Music is that important to me and I have thousands of lp's and cd's to justify such an expenditure.

I would love to see what kind of speaker Axiom could offer for 5k, because I would probably buy it!
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#285647 - 01/06/10 11:38 PM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: audiosavant]
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I can understand your enthusiasm believe me. I have a 2 channel set up, well it's actually 2.1, with an amp preamp set up.

If you have a chance before you buy this amp try and push the M80s with what you use for the M22s. You might just be surprised how damn good they sound with your receiver.

I power mine with a Rotel amp and also have a Luxman M117 hooked up to them. I use the Rotel for the lows and the Luxman for the highs.

To be honest if the Luxman wasn't a gift there is no way I could in good conscious recommend this set up for the simple fact I don't hear a huge difference.

I've tried both amps and honestly there's no difference in sound quality.

I'd hate to see you spend this kind of money and not see or hear a difference between that and an amp that could be had for a fraction of the price.


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#285648 - 01/06/10 11:39 PM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: Wid]
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Yeah, Rick; a unit priced like that should be considered as audio jewelry and not as a serious cost-effective way of doing the job of amplification. Other units not using such an inefficient amplifier topology can provide equal or better real world audible performance for a tenth or less of that cost.
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#285649 - 01/07/10 12:00 AM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: SirQuack]
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 Originally Posted By: sirquack
20 watts is 20 watts.


Uh... no, not really.

So many variables at play when it comes to the amplification of audio.

I see a lot of talk on this forum about amp quality being of little importance, and I have to (respectfully) call bull$hit on that.

I can easily hear the differences between tubes, transistors, digital amps (class D) etc. I can tell quality with my ears as well.

Most consumer stuff sounds like garbage to me, but yes, I am an audio snob.

There are some who think MP3's are an acceptable audio format, and I most definitely "think not".

YMMV, but I have heard serous high end amplification, and there is most definitely a difference in all areas of quality. From sound performance to build quality to long term reliability.

Of course, there are exceptions to this, "it takes money for quality" philosophy.

That's why I am here! \:\)

Gotta go pick up my girly unit from work, she didn't want to drive since we are expecting snow here in Atlanta (quit laughing you Canucks!).

Anyway, sirquack, peace and much respect, not trying to be combative here. I really do dig this cool forum and all the info I have gotten here.

And besides, $4800.00 US is chicken feed in audiophile circles!

You want 'high end"? Look at this: http://www.mbl-usa.com/Default.aspx
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#285650 - 01/07/10 12:34 AM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: audiosavant]
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 Quote:
I can easily hear the differences between tubes, transistors, digital amps (class D) etc. I can tell quality with my ears as well.

Even so, I'm betting you'd have your mind blown by participating in a double-blind listening session where you put this assertion to the test.
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#285651 - 01/07/10 12:35 AM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: pmbuko]
Ken.C Offline
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Well, we've been dancing around a good amp argument for a few months now. Let's GET IT OOOOOOWWWWWNNNNN!



or not.
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#285660 - 01/07/10 01:29 AM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: Ken.C]
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I like how excited Ken gets.

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#285661 - 01/07/10 01:32 AM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: pmbuko]
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 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
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I can easily hear the differences between tubes, transistors, digital amps (class D) etc. I can tell quality with my ears as well.

Even so, I'm betting you'd have your mind blown by participating in a double-blind listening session where you put this assertion to the test.


You know, you might be right. Sometimes the mind can fool one into hearing things "differently" under certain "conditions" but...

I remember people saying that all cd players sounded the same. Just ones and zeros. It's perfect, it's digital! (lol) Back in the day, I had a budget of $300.00 dollars for a consumer player. I went through 6 in that price range before I found one that sounded "decent". All sounded different. The winner? Onkyo. They made exceptional cheap cd players and now excellent HT amps. As do Denon. And fairly cheaply at that.

Axioms make awesome speakers at a ridiculously low price. But you also have to take into account the millions of dollars that went into the initial research funded by your dope smoking, socialist/capitalist government. You lucky bastards! My country would rather spend billions of research money on important technical stuff, like killing large amounts of people effectively around the world. But as usual, I digress...

In the recording world, Mackie makes decent budget priced pre-amps. But despite having specs that are impressive, they cannot compete with API or Neve pre amps for high end sound.

Do they sound good enough? Of course! Many hit records were/are made using modest gear just like that. But make no mistake, there is better. And you can hear the difference.

But I do have pretty refined hearing. It's my job! Back in the booming 90's, when big budget major label projects were the norm (typically $50,000 to $250,000), I was making $150.00 to $300.00 an hour to produce audio recordings, and yes, I was being paid for skill/talent, but having good ears is sometimes even more important than technical skills. And being able to discern very subtle auditory nuances is both a curse and a blessing that I was born with.
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#285687 - 01/07/10 08:05 AM Re: The perfect power source for M80's!!! [Re: audiosavant]
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I'm suprised JohnK didn't mention this article, Do all amplifiers sound the same, of course your brain might be different where a blind audiophile panel could not tell the difference between a cheap Pioneer AVR and fancy dancy amps costing thousands.
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