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#285547 - 01/06/10 01:07 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: TroyD]
Argon Offline
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Registered: 07/24/04
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Loc: Oak Ridge, NC
I am in the 60's clan and I DO NOT wish to have the 80's. I also have the 500 sub - so the extra bass means nothing to me. As far as filling up the room - I think that is basically rubbish as you could get insanely loud, clean sound from the 60's if you desire. You would drive yourself stone deaf long before you would tax the 60's. Besides, the 80's guys perceive their equipment to be so much better that they pass out right after beginning to listen. Take the saved money and buy a VP 150 - you will not be sorry. \:\)
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#285550 - 01/06/10 01:13 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: Argon]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
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Loc: Canada
Huh? wa...? Oh, sorry, musta blacked out.

::checks for secret decoder ring::

Still got it! \:\)
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#285564 - 01/06/10 02:56 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: Argon]
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Registered: 02/17/04
Posts: 302
 Originally Posted By: Argon
I am in the 60's clan and I DO NOT wish to have the 80's. I also have the 500 sub - so the extra bass means nothing to me. As far as filling up the room - I think that is basically rubbish as you could get insanely loud, clean sound from the 60's if you desire. You would drive yourself stone deaf long before you would tax the 60's. Besides, the 80's guys perceive their equipment to be so much better that they pass out right after beginning to listen. Take the saved money and buy a VP 150 - you will not be sorry. \:\)


Yeh, plan on getting the VP150 and 4 QS8's anyways. I had a M80 before but, it was before the V2 came out. I LOved them, and I ain't really worrying over saving $400 if the 8's are worth the extra. The only thing I found with the 80's were the to much tweeter, crisppy sounds, whatever you want to call it. However putting a resistor on the one may be what I am after. The mids is where I am really picky.
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#285671 - 01/07/10 02:28 AM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: TroyD]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Personally I think the mids are where the M22s and M80s shine especially at lower volumes, once volume levels go up the M60s do a great job with mids as well, just not quite as good as the M80s. Now the 60s are ever so slightly less forward/bright than the M80s so you might still like the M60s better. I am not much help am I
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#285682 - 01/07/10 07:36 AM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: fredk]
Argon Offline
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Registered: 07/24/04
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Loc: Oak Ridge, NC
 Originally Posted By: fredk
Huh? wa...? Oh, sorry, musta blacked out.

::checks for secret decoder ring::

Still got it! \:\)


Thanks, Fred. It always helps to start the work day with a laugh! \:D


Edited by Argon (01/07/10 07:37 AM)
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#285907 - 01/07/10 10:30 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: TroyD]
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Registered: 04/04/07
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Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
 Originally Posted By: troyd
 Originally Posted By: sirquack
I agree Larry, there are times I wish I didn't get rid of my 60's, them awesome speakers.


SirQ

you have an awesome room, and I see you also have 60's and 80's.
also, you EP600 in the middle.

SO, honestly is that a great location "if" i were to get a EP800 and would that be as good or better than two EP500.

thanks


Troyd, sirquack also has two ep350s to help even out the bass response.
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#285912 - 01/07/10 11:27 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: terzaghi]
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Loc: Iowa
I don't own 60's anymore, I upgraded to m80's a few years back. The mansfield beach pictures are Version 1 of my theater, and Version 2 is Ebony Pica finish.

Which sub(s) to go with has a lot to do with your room size. Multiple subs spread around the room will give you a flatter freaquency response for all seats, however, it can be a bit tricky getting everything calibrated correctly.

Jay pretty much summed up the difference of the 60's and 80's, they are both great speakers.
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#285969 - 01/08/10 02:39 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: SirQuack]
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Registered: 02/17/04
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yeh, thanks
I think I am going to spend the few extra $$ may as well as the mids is where it is at for me. The sub is going to take over the bottom end anyway. and , I will try the tweets as they are, but if I find them just a tad too much I will do that resistor thing.
in HT the mids are the spot where detail is bar none for a speaker.

Room size is around 15 x 28 x 9, however the theatre part it self will be about 15 x 19. there will be a false wall about 2ft for in behind the screen for wiring and such. also, in the back there is a 7ft walkin space where a refreshment/popcorn bar is.
front seats will be about 12ft. as for the other seats, don't matter I am not sitting in them ;\)
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#285973 - 01/08/10 03:02 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: TroyD]
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
 Originally Posted By: troyd
yeh, thanks
I think I am going to spend the few extra $$ may as well as the mids is where it is at for me. The sub is going to take over the bottom end anyway. and , I will try the tweets as they are, but if I find them just a tad too much I will do that resistor thing.
in HT the mids are the spot where detail is bar none for a speaker.


It is unlikely you would notice a difference in anything but the bass between the M60 and M80 during a casual listening session assuming they were calibrate to the same SPL. You might be able to discern the subtle differences otherwise with an instantaneous A/B switcher.
Just keep in the back of your head that the differences between the M60s and M80s (except bass) is SUBTLE.

I haven't found volume (SPL) to make any difference in such a regard (big vs smaller speaker). Only the speaker efficiency at the same volume notch would likely cause such a difference related to SPL and not sound quality.
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#285976 - 01/08/10 03:20 PM Re: M60s or M80s [Re: bdpf]
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Registered: 06/28/08
Posts: 769
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Hi,

I would like to thank you all for sharing your comments and experience. There was a lot of good information and remarks. I would love to say that it helped me make my decision but the fact is that I am even more undecised than before. I wanted the M80s, but then after reading that the M60s are very similar, I am not sure that they are worth the extra $400. The comments regarding the M22s also got me thinking...
Since I couldn't make up my mind, I decided to take a day off and go listen to them and decide for myself. I will be visiting the Axiom facility on Monday. I will be auditioning the M80s, M60s and M22s with and without a sub (EP500). I will also have the VP150 and QS8 for 5.1 listening.

I don't consider myself an audiophile (yet), but I am able to appreciate a good sounding system. Is there any advice that I can get from more experienced people? What should I focus on in order to compare them properly? Should I really pay attention to the bass response knowing that eventually I will get a sub? Is there a certain type of music that will help me hear the true capability of each speaker? Any movie that you recommend for 5.1?

Any advice or comment will be greatly appreciated.

I have been waiting for this for a while now. On Monday, I am finally getting something, that's so great !!! \:D \:D \:D
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