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#294504 - 03/01/10 01:36 AM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: ]
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#294544 - 03/01/10 10:26 AM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: CV]
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My dad has offered to buy me a Mac since he and my mom converted a while back, but I never took him up on it because he'd really only be buying it for me so he could come to me to ask me questions. I really like not having to provide technical assistance. \:\)


You should definitely take him up on his offer. You'll be amazed at how little technical assistance is required. The probablility of you phoning him with a question is greater. It's difficult at first for a long time Windows user to understand the simplicity of the UI from Apple, but over time you come to love it.

Disclamer: I'm not an Apple fanboy. I own many different systems and OS's and in my life, they have all had their merits at one time or another. You owe it to yourself to see what else is available.
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#294548 - 03/01/10 10:41 AM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: htnut
Is the battery replacable or is the iPad a disposable product?

Apple uses integrated batteries on their iPhone and all their portable Macs (MacBooks and MacBook Pros), none of which can be fairly classified as disposable. Look, I understand your criticisms -- they are fair -- but I can't help but notice some of that irrational tone I was referring to earlier.

It's easy to see that the iPad, in its current state, is definitely NOT a replacement for a full computer, especially for those who are actually good at using computers. What sets the iPad apart is that you don't need years of practice operating a computer in order to take advantage of its potential. I bed I could set one down in front of my grandmother, who has never used a personal computer, and she'd be able to figure out how to use it after a few short lessons.
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#294576 - 03/01/10 12:15 PM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: ]
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The problem with the IPad (as a book reader) is that you have to charge it everyday. I'm not sure how long it takes to boot up, but my Kindle turns on in seconds. And I don't have to charge it for about two weeks. And the Ipad is not readable outdoors since it's LCD based. So for the ebook market, I can't imagine Ipad beating the Kindle.
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#294578 - 03/01/10 12:18 PM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: pmbuko]
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I have always wondered how well Apple's OS's/computers would have faired if they were forced to allow other manufactureers to build O/S's/products for their systems but use non apple designs like Microsoft/IBM had to endure with their products?

It seems pretty easy to me to design things to play nice together when you only have to worry about the products you have built in house.
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#294600 - 03/01/10 02:54 PM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: jakewash]
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I think Apple played it right. No one forced Microsoft and IBM, IBM just didn't have the foresight to see the money in software, they thought it was all about the hardware.
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#294603 - 03/01/10 02:59 PM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: pmbuko]
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 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
 Originally Posted By: htnut
Is the battery replacable or is the iPad a disposable product?

Apple uses integrated batteries on their iPhone and all their portable Macs (MacBooks and MacBook Pros), none of which can be fairly classified as disposable. Look, I understand your criticisms -- they are fair -- but I can't help but notice some of that irrational tone I was referring to earlier.

It's easy to see that the iPad, in its current state, is definitely NOT a replacement for a full computer, especially for those who are actually good at using computers. What sets the iPad apart is that you don't need years of practice operating a computer in order to take advantage of its potential. I bed I could set one down in front of my grandmother, who has never used a personal computer, and she'd be able to figure out how to use it after a few short lessons.


Not sure what I said that came off as irrational, but sorry if I offended you. I'm not critical of a product just because of its name, I could care less who makes the iPad. I'd have the same complaints if it were made by Toshiba, IBM, HP, or anyone else.

If I can't change the battery then the product (cell phone, notebook, iPad, whatever) is only good *to me* until the battery no longer holds a decent charge. That is what I meant by disposable, and I would say the same for any other wireless product in general. I'm not getting it so that I can use it plugged into the wall afterall.

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#294607 - 03/01/10 03:10 PM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: ]
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I don't take your opinion of Apple personally, so you didn't offend me at all. I hope I'm not offending you by singling you out. I simply think that labeling a product with a built-in battery disposable is harsh, based on the charge retention history of the majority of their "captive" battery products.
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#294611 - 03/01/10 03:18 PM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: pmbuko]
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Then that is good news. I've never owned any of their products, but if their batteries do indeed still hold a good charge say five years down the road then I won't really care if I can change it since there'll likely be a new model I'd want by then anyhow.

So now the only concern that remains is the speed. I'd be using for internet/email 100% of the time, so I'm hopeful that it is actually faster than what I saw in the demo.

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#294613 - 03/01/10 03:21 PM Re: EP800 wins an award [Re: Sloped]
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 Originally Posted By: Sloped
I think Apple played it right. No one forced Microsoft and IBM, IBM just didn't have the foresight to see the money in software, they thought it was all about the hardware.


Yet, without IBM's open architecture we would not have seen the rapid explosion of computers and application. Apple has continually driven the UI and usability, the PC has continually driven innovation and affability/market size.

To me its a Yin/Yang thing. Both have good and bad. In the early days, neither was complete without the other.
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