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#298063 - 03/23/10 04:35 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: fredk]
casey01 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
Posts: 764
Loc: Toronto
In this discussion, with all my "babbling", I neglected to mention that a couple of weeks ago, through the "trade-up" program, I took delivery of a pair of M80s in the "high-gloss" piano black.

For me, I believe unless I spent several thousand dollars more, I couldn't get a better looking, better sounding pair of speakers than these two.

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#298064 - 03/23/10 04:35 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: PeterChenoweth]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8280
Loc: Tacoma
Nice work, PeterC.

Regrettably, I have to agree about the aesthetics. Whether we like it or not, a certain amount of perceived value is "how does it look?". In particular, I think the ongoing use of convex, woven dustcaps in the M series looks funny. So many manufacturers are offering concave, metal dustcaps (like in the Axiom subs).

Auto speakers seem like a very logical next step, too.

I want Full Metal Brackets to be less expensive.

If Axiom DOES start researching a premium line, I hope it will be very well differentiated from the mainstram offerings in all respects (including form-factor). I don't think a piano-gloss M80 with upgraded capacitors is useful.

Many have commented over the years that a 3-way monitor might fill a void in the lineup. A bookshelf larger and more capable than the M22.

I'd like to see Axiom indulge their recently-acquired former Mirage designer (whose name I regrettably cannot remember - so sorry). Perhaps pursue omnipolar, open baffle or other similar designs.

Honestly, I think Axiom should stick to their core business and strengths. And there have been MANY advancements over the last several years. In addition to those already mentioned, the Audiobytes, Outdoor speakers, M0, in-walls, etc. When many of us were first seduced by Axiom 6-7 years ago, all they had was the Ti series (including the long-lost M40) and subs (including the flagship EP350). I don't think Axiom gets enough credit for bringing totally new products to market on their terms.
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#298066 - 03/23/10 04:48 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: tomtuttle]
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 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Honestly, I think Axiom should stick to their core business and strengths. And there have been MANY advancements over the last several years. In addition to those already mentioned, the Audiobytes, Outdoor speakers, M0, in-walls, etc. When many of us were first seduced by Axiom 6-7 years ago, all they had was the Ti series (including the long-lost M40) and subs (including the flagship EP350). I don't think Axiom gets enough credit for bringing totally new products to market on their terms.

Well said Tom, I highly agree.
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#298078 - 03/23/10 05:37 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: jakewash]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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It's not like Axiom rests on it's laurels concerning their M series either. The cabinets haven't changed for some time but that is because it's shaped the way it is for a reason(standing wave cancellation)....is it as pretty or sexy as a curved cabinet which are 'de rigueur'? not really, but in optional finishes, it can look very beautiful in it's own right. Changing the proven cabinet design to a curved or ellipse would be nice, but not necessarily a wise business decision. The innards have been tweaked over the years, as have the tweeters to my knowledge(I've not been here too long) and I'm sure Axiom continues to test some new ideas on their existing series. Whether those ideas make it to production, depends on what the results of testing would entail.

It'll be interesting to see what new ideas Andrew brings to the table, having come from a different design approach over at Mirage(API). As noted, you don't want to spread your company too thin...it's like fighting a war on too many fronts. Do what you do best, and make it the best you can but sometimes a new idea or approach is refreshing.

Axiom, could do a test run of say 50-100 prs of "higher end" bookshelf speakers of a design unigue to their regular lineup, in say, Vassalo HG Rosewood as a trial to test this market. Having a pre-order will reduce costs, I'm not talking AV123 here!!, and since the majority of us drool over the HG Rosewood, I think they'd be an easy sell with that finish.
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#298092 - 03/23/10 06:14 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: fredk]
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
I don't have a problem with the aesthetics of Axiom's speakers. I think the wood veneer finishes are beautiful. I love the way the white aluminum with black bullseye contrast with the wood finishes.

However, my concern is that the drivers are screwed into MDF. I am not an engineer, however, the problem seems obvious. When I talk about upgrading, I am not suggesting trading sound quality for looks, I want more sound quality.

I don't know whether a front baffle like the Thiels would make a difference as to edge effects, or whether a time corrected slope to the speaker cabinet and x-over would improve sound quality, or whether an independent "basket" or frame for the drivers would improve SQ, but if they do, I hope Axiom figures a way to improve the sound quality of their already wonderful speakers without a substantial price increase.

Innovation in the service of improvement of the price/benefit balance would be consistent with how I see Axiom.

I know pmb, now an insider, has made it clear that Axiom's ideas for future product do not follow my ideas. OK. I still love my Axiom speakers.
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#298098 - 03/23/10 06:22 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: 2x6spds]
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Registered: 08/05/09
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For music, I wish a piano would sound like a piano. I was helping someone with their computer last week, and they played something on the baby grand they were trying to sell. Beautiful. I can't say my M22's sound anywhere near what a real piano sounds like. I haven't listened to enough speakers to know if there are any out there that will.

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#298115 - 03/23/10 06:48 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: CatBrat]
SRoode Offline
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Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 1200
Loc: Fishers, Indiana, USA
This one is easy for me. In my quest for all of my speakers to sound as similar as possible, I wish Axiom would make a line of surrounds that could be +/- 3db down to at least 60Hz. Many other manufacturers do it (Klipsch RS-42 goes a bit lower, and costs about the same as the QS8s). I just would love to be able to cross my entire system over at 60Hz and not have to worry about additional mid-bass loading on my subs as I switch from stereo, to surround, to 7 channel if I choose.
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#298127 - 03/23/10 07:03 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: SRoode]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8280
Loc: Tacoma
Hey Steve, why not just throw some M60's back there?
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#298129 - 03/23/10 07:05 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: tomtuttle]
Ken.C Offline
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17755
Loc: NoVA
This was a pretty common request a few years ago. I wonder why it died down.
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#298131 - 03/23/10 07:07 PM Re: Ideas? I wish Axiom would make a..... [Re: tomtuttle]
SRoode Offline
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Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 1200
Loc: Fishers, Indiana, USA
Hah! I should have also said I love the way the QS8s sound now (except that I want them to go a bit lower). I would like my "wish" speakers to retain the quadpolar technology, and the wide dispersion pattern they have now... Just go lower!
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