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#309383 - 06/04/10 03:55 PM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: jakewash]
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I haven't seen them, but last years panasonics lose their black level over time due to a defect. Panasonic reported this year that the problem has been fixed. Panasonic also has the pioneer plasma technology now, so hopefully their v20/25 model this year shows some of that and they can be on their way to matching the kuro. On a side note, the LED samsung unb8500 was very close to the kuro in picture quality and black levels, but you have to be watching it from the sweet center position and not off axis.
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#309397 - 06/04/10 05:40 PM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: gianquittia]
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Not sure where you saw that Panasonic 'fixed' the problem. I've been following the anal retentive AVS threads and tech blogs on the floating blacks issue (among a few others) that have been reported. The only response from Panasonic is that they acknowledge the issue and that the new 2010 models slow the rate of the increasing brightness, but it'll still happens.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/panas...+%28Engadget%29

I'm sadly aware of this because I too want a new plasma but I can't really put Panny on the list until this is addressed. There is a rumor on AVS that the 2011 may have a solution, but that'll take time to confirm. Yes, I'm kicking myself for not getting that NOS Kuro 50" for $1200 last November.

Not an LCD fan and though Samsung and LG make good plasmas, I still prefer the Panny PQ (before the 1000 hours).

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#309398 - 06/04/10 05:48 PM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: oldskoolboarder]
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My V-15/50 blew out cells in the first month. Had whole new screen put in. I still love it. And I figure that my WET-MD oughta kick in just about in time for the blacks to go funny, so I'm thinkin' I'll still be good.

It's been 10 months and way more than 1000 hours. It still looks great. (Unless I just forgot to make a follow-up ophthomology appt.?)


Edited by BobKay (06/04/10 05:48 PM)
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#309434 - 06/04/10 11:29 PM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: oldskoolboarder]
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 Originally Posted By: oldskoolboarder
the anal retentive AVS threads and tech blogs on the floating blacks issue (among a few others)
I am not as picky about my PQ as most and I figure there will always be some sort of problem that pops up, you could be waiting a long time if you want perfection. If you wait long enough there just might be a holographic room with floating black levels ;\)
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#309439 - 06/05/10 12:21 AM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: jakewash]
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waited 25 years for perfection, then found a pioneer 141 last year :). I was so close to getting a panny though. It took me 5 days to decide on a house to buy, it took me 3 months to decide on a tv, so I'm a little screwed up.
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#309440 - 06/05/10 12:21 AM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: gianquittia]
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But as long as you are happy with whatever you're wathing that's all that matters.
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#309441 - 06/05/10 12:37 AM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: gianquittia]
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 Originally Posted By: gianquittia
waited 25 years for perfection, then found a pioneer 141 last year :). I was so close to getting a panny though. It took me 5 days to decide on a house to buy, it took me 3 months to decide on a tv, so I'm a little screwed up.


A coworker and I had a similar discussion last year. We're engineers that are big gadget hounds. But we have to do the research in order to have the data to make a sound decision. So it may take 3 weeks to buy the right digital camera, plasma, laptop, etc. But then it gets skewed when you buy a house in the SF Bay Area. Granted, we're REALLY skewed (or is it screwed...) In certain areas, it's not unheard of to buy into houses around 2000 sq ft that start at 7 figures and go up from there. And if it's in a popular zip code, you have multiple bids. So if you visit a house on Tuesday (broker's tour), it shows on the weekend, and you have until the next Tues (or Thu if you are lucky) to submit a bid. In those 7 days, you may actually spend about 60 minutes in the house before making the biggest financial decision of your life. How's that for fair? We're in our 3rd house since 1999 and I don't think I've bought a house w/ more than 7 days from first visit to offer. I think my HT decision took about 6 months the first time I bought Axioms.

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#309453 - 06/05/10 06:11 AM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: jakewash]
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Loc: Ancaster, Ontario
 Originally Posted By: jakewash

The Samsung's were reported to have P/S issues that would hum and some other people had mentioned some problems with the display itself and poor CS from Samsung to repair it. I'll take my green tint and seldom reported failures over that any day. ;\) \:\)



My friends Samsung (stunning picture) had a power supply problem, the "clicking issue". A call to the number in the manual led me to a very pleasant lady in the US. She took down the details and sent the details to my local repair shop in Hamilton, Ontario. Withing an hour we got a phone call from them. Three days later the board was replaced.

I know everyone has different experiences but I have to say Samsung's CS was on par with Axioms.

At the bottom of the barrel for bad service has to be Bell, took about 2 years for them to remove my late wife's name from their mailing list. What I had to do could fill a novel.... well maybe a novelette \:\)
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#309456 - 06/05/10 08:59 AM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: gianquittia]
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 Originally Posted By: gianquittia
It took me 5 days to decide on a house to buy, it took me 3 months to decide on a tv, so I'm a little screwed up.


You really DO belong here with the rest of us. Welcome home!
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#309465 - 06/05/10 10:39 AM Re: Advice on new TV [Re: ClubNeon]
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Hi Club Neon,

Actually, no, the Pioneer plasmas were always exhibited at CES in a dark room when I viewed them, and while the color, detail, contrast, and blacks were very good, the overall image wasn't as outstanding as I'd been led to believe by some of my colleagues.

Plus they were dramatically more expensive than plasmas from Panasonic or Samsung, and, in my opinion, not worth the difference in price. Several of my reviewer friends have always had difficulty separating performance from price (especially with loudspeakers) and I'm convinced that the $5,000 price of the Kuros at the time was a bias they were unable to shed.

Regards,
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