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#315498 - 07/19/10 04:00 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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#315531 - 07/19/10 06:20 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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exactly why I used the word "few".
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#315552 - 07/19/10 08:19 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: fredk]
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Originally Posted By: fredk
I don't understand what all the noise is about. Axiom is in the business of selling speakers, not components.


Nobody is questioning that Fred, and you are right...But that is just one point of view, now there is another point a little more objective, and is that Axiom should be interested as well, in keeping happy the customers they already have, that have trusted them over the years, and are buying their products time after time...I already got their top of the line, they do not have an M90's...If they did, I would have gotten those long time ago...as I liked my M80's and anything better will be welcome...That is the reason we are just trying to "upgrade" what is currently good...Axiom do not have now the program they have years ago to upgrade neither...And the resell value of Axiom anywhere else, is very poor...

Also we are not talking of a couple of guys from God knows where, that are looking into getting drivers to assemble their own versions of Axioms, to sell them on eBay for profits, we are talking of previous customers, registered with Axiom, that Axiom know who they are, that do not have the funds to spend 1,2K in an upgrade of an speaker that cost 1,3K new...and that on top are willing to eat the old drivers, and crossovers, as they are not very good value once you remove them, specially with absolutely to specs to show to anybody...
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#315554 - 07/19/10 08:41 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: RickF]
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Originally Posted By: RickF
I'm with Mark, Michael and Tom and I have a v3 VP180 incorporated with v2 M80s and QS8s that to my ordinary ears sounds absolutely incredible as a whole system. Not once, for even a millisecond has the thought entered my mind that the VP180 center was sonically in a different class than the rest of my system nor have I noticed any obvious differences other than the silver domes and magnetic grills, which, if you leave the grills on like myself you'll very seldom even see those differences.

My personal opinion only...

I'm inclined to believe a little bit of the review Ian posted from whoever it was who reviewed the v3 speakers was a wee bit over the top regarding the vast differences between the new and old versions and some folks have taken the review as an axe to start chopping trees, myself included at first.

I am absolutely happy with my Axiom speakers and if the wife ever lets me spend any money whenever I decide to upgrade, it will primarily be to a nicer finish because like Michael, I wouldn't care if the speakers were version 3 or 10.


Rick that is another very valid point, we, I think that are getting a little too enthusiastic with the new version, and we have not even heard those new V3 yet, we are just trusting what the manufacturer have stated, maybe is all about numbers and you can not even hear a single bit of a difference in our setups. Another thing is that even if we can hear them, maybe we do not like the change, all is in the eye of the beholder....BTW the old M80 curves, and I think the others as well were removed from the website, we do not even have now a way of comparison, from what I recall the old M80 were a little more irregular in the low end at least in papers...but God knows...I think that will be good the Axiom publish all the manuals in PDF, of all older versions with the graphs, just as a reference...
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#315555 - 07/19/10 08:55 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: sovkiller]
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M80 ti graph.


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#315556 - 07/19/10 08:55 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: sovkiller]
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The M80 v2 measurements are available at Soundstage Magazine for reference as is the M80Ti.
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#315563 - 07/19/10 09:40 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: Adrian]
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Those graphs don't sound any different to me at all.
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#315571 - 07/19/10 10:06 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: BlueJays1]
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Howdy Dr. House, Sovkiller (Myawkri Dyeli?) and all.

I have a bunch of Michaura speakers, all of which use Axiom black eyed pea drivers (5.25" and 6.5" as well as the 3/4" Axiom Titanium tweeter (previously used in the M0, M1 and M2 speakers. The Michaura cabinets are incredibly solid, heavy, hex shaped affairs as opposed to the Axiom trapezoids. They are great sounding speakers.

I picked up a bunch of 6.5" Axiom drivers some years ago to use in the Merak center channel speakers made by Axiom. Some of these centers also used the Axiom 3/4" titanium tweeter, others use a big honking horn tweeter. I swapped the Axiom 6.5" drivers for the Meraks, kept the Axiom horn tweeter in one, and swapped the Axiom 3/4" Titanium tweeter for the 1" Vifa Tweeter and cross-over from the magnificent Reference 3a de capo mm speaker.

I bought every Merak MC6H (horn) and MC 634 (3/4" titanium tweeter) I could find on ebay, and Axiom was kind enough to sell me the Axiom 6.5" drivers for my FRANKENSPEAKER CENTER CHANNEL efforts which I gave away to my good friends except for 2 which I kept for myself.

I recently picked up a VP150 and although it is a tough call, I think I prefer the VP 150.

Anyway, I don't think I would have had such a good time modifying these speakers if Axiom had charged me as much for the 6.5" drivers as they are now charging.

Originally Posted By: Dr.House
You do know that Dayton drivers at parts express which are sold for a 3rd of the cost at what Axiom is selling "look" the same that are used on the ti and v2 versions. If one wanted to "white van" v1/v2 Axiom speakers there always have been avenues to do that.

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#315577 - 07/19/10 10:19 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: 2x6spds]
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It seems academic now, but when I spoke with Brent a few weeks back he stated that Axiom would post official pricing for the v3 components somewhere on the website. Does anyone know if that's still planned?
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#315580 - 07/19/10 10:33 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: sovkiller]
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Originally Posted By: Sovkiller

Also we are not talking of a couple of guys from God knows where, that are looking into getting drivers to assemble their own versions of Axioms, to sell them on eBay for profits, we are talking of previous customers, registered with Axiom, that Axiom know who they are, that do not have the funds to spend 1,2K in an upgrade of an speaker that cost 1,3K new...and that on top are willing to eat the old drivers, and crossovers, as they are not very good value once you remove them, specially with absolutely to specs to show to anybody...


So if you had bought some Paradigm's would you be expecting the same part replacement ability from them?

I do agree the prices seem/are high and wonder if Axiom has considered special pricing for a full kit(2 speakers), ie 4 5.25 drivers, 2 tweeters and 2 crossover for M22, opposed to individual component pricing.
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