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#328452 - 11/14/10 01:10 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: medic8r]
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
Originally Posted By: medic8r
I approve of your methodology for correcting this oversight.

:runs away snickering:

So you noticed the quote in their about methodology of psychology?
That wasn't just coincidence you know.
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#328453 - 11/14/10 01:15 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: tomtuttle]
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4829
Loc: western canada
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Thank you, Ian.

I'd also like to thank Chess, Craig, JohnK, Jason, CV, Mark, members of the academy, my family...

You do make me giggle Tom, like a schoolgirl!!

Maybe i should have asked to be put up on that 90' pole during the tour to see what my free to air sound measurements would be...
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#328459 - 11/14/10 04:50 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: chesseroo]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 10901
Loc: Central NH
Dude, weren't you high enough?
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#328478 - 11/14/10 10:49 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: MarkSJohnson]
JBall Offline
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Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 141
Seems like Gene has proof (post #361)that contradicts Ian's response but decided not to post it to instigate flame wars between the two sites.

IMHO it would make a lot more sense for both parties to resolve their differences away from public forums. They both seem to have a long history of comradeship which is senselessly being thrown away.

I re-iterate, I would have never discovered Axiom speakers had it not been for all the positive Audioholics coverage. I love my Axiom system so in a sense I am equally fond of both organizations.

I hope they can continue working together.. I'd love to read about new Axiom products via reviews on the Audioholics website. Peace!

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#328496 - 11/15/10 09:55 AM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: JBall]
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Registered: 10/03/05
Posts: 852
Loc: Toronto
It looks to me like Audioholics has taken alot of "creative license" with this ground plane vs. 4pi issue. I've had the privilege of testing several subwoofers at Axioms facility over the years. Both groundplane and 4pi testing were used, the 90 foot pole only on clear windless days. Both methods are fine and Ian has said that consistently many times. Groundplane is by far the more practical method and a standard. However it is a proxy for the more technically precise 4pi measurement. I highly doubt Axiom would have said anything much different. Which again makes me wonder where Audioholics is coming from.

This latest imbroglio in addition to the slanted comparison between the M60 and EMP E55Ti has me convinced that the people who run Audioholics need a primer in how to deal with their conflicts of interest. Audioholics needs to seriously rethink how they manage their business relationships in light of their zeal to expand and market new products.




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#328513 - 11/15/10 12:18 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: jakeman]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Originally Posted By: jakeman

This latest imbroglio in addition to the slanted comparison between the M60 and EMP E55Ti has me convinced that the people who run Audioholics need a primer in how to deal with their conflicts of interest. Audioholics needs to seriously rethink how they manage their business relationships in light of their zeal to expand and market new products.

Well said!
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#328514 - 11/15/10 12:26 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: jakeman]
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Registered: 05/08/06
Posts: 90
Loc: Utah
I think it's sad that all this had to come out, but I've liked reading it. It's almost like a daytime soap that I've never watched. I would like to read reviews that was to the point to many times I've went into stores after reading a review that was outstanding. To walk away thinking WTF how much did the reviewer get paid to say that. The reads of the Bigwires or who ever that person is better the energy is way more fun than the daytime soap. To all have a good day I can't wait to read the review on the subs.
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#328516 - 11/15/10 12:46 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: jakeman]
JBall Offline
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Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 141
you might want to read Gene's rebuttal to your post at their thread. Post #373.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=766448#post766448

Honestly I can't help to read this stuff. I feel like a boy crazed school girl getting the latest gossip on who's hot..... but, I think it would be better for both parties to shut down these threads before things get so bad that the damage is irreversible.

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#328518 - 11/15/10 01:17 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: JBall]
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Registered: 05/03/03
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Loc: NoVA
Axiom never shuts down threads. It's not how these forums work.
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#328520 - 11/15/10 01:25 PM Re: Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout [Re: JBall]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
I just still don't think DellaSala "gets it".

He chose to go public with all this - "My editorial was needed to be written for my own sanity" - and continues to speak out.

My point - and I think John's, too - is not the substance of the disagreement between Axiom and AH about testing methods and methodology, but about DellaSala's decision to editorialize about their relationship. He claims to want reconciliation, while at the same time publicly calling out Alan over technical disagreements. To me, his behaviour has not been politically astute, and it certainly does not enhance his integrity or trustworthiness. If I were a manufacturer or potential site advertiser, this episode would be a very meaningful case study about how DellaSala handles relationships.
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