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#339629 - 02/23/11 09:00 AM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: Argon]
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Originally Posted By: Argon
Out of curiosity - do the M60's have this mid base hump that you guys are talking about?

No, the cabinet goes straight down to the bottom.


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#339631 - 02/23/11 09:27 AM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Loc: It's all about the location.
The freq response of the M60 looks quite linear if you check out the graph on the M60 product page.
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#339634 - 02/23/11 09:44 AM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: Adrian]
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Originally Posted By: Adrian
The freq response of the M60 looks quite linear if you check out the graph on the M60 product page.

Of late, I have shied away from Graph Interpretation. was early
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#339636 - 02/23/11 09:52 AM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: Adrian]
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The plan was to mount the speakers to the wall, but I think I'll revisit the 'form factor' question some more.

If you want the best two channel sound then keep your speakers away from the wall. When you mentioned the placement advantage of using M22 + sub I didn’t realize you were looking at wall mounting. The real placement advantage in using bookshelf + sub combo in most rooms, especially smaller ones is that you can place the sub for the best bass response while placing the bookshelves for the best soundstage. Wall placement negates the soundstage placement advantage because the reflections off the front wall will interfere with the direct sound arriving at your ears. Moving the speaker’s so the drivers are 3 feet or more away from the wall changes the timing of the reflected sound so your ears don’t confuse it with the direct sound coming from the speakers. However, is safety is your primary concern then you may choose to live with wall mounting.

You can also make or probably buy some outriggers for a pair of tower speakers to make them more stable. Someone here has posted about that recently. I won’t kid you I’ve bumped into my M80s and knocked them over twice because I have them pulled out from the wall. No damage because the floor is carpeted and their flat sides create an air cushion just as they hit, but I wouldn’t want to try that on tile or wood floors.
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#339725 - 02/23/11 07:27 PM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: grunt]
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@sirquack: Good idea, thanks.

@grunt: Thanks for picking up on my wall mount comment - I should have made that clearer. I'm really wrestling with the guideline to keep speakers 1'+ away from the wall (let alone the 3' you mention). As big as the room is, it is not empty nor is it unused. In the next-to-the-cabinet arrangement, that puts one speaker in the living room traffic path.

I'm intrigued by the 'on wall' speaker form factor, but suspect I'll be trading one set of issues for another.

#339731 - 02/23/11 07:47 PM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: Karl]
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Most of us are in a similar situation as you in that we don’t have purpose built HT rooms and have to make some compromises. If you do plan on going with shelf placement I would stick with bookshelf speakers and not in/on wall. Bookshelf speakers can at least be repositioned more easily allowing you to experiment a bit with placement before putting up the shelves. Also a I thing you suspected bookshelf speakers are likely to have less problem being placed close to a wall because they have less bass extension to be reinforced than tower speakers will. If you did chose bookshelf speakers I would go with the M22s.
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#339741 - 02/23/11 08:50 PM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: Karl]
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If wall mount is your best option, I would agree that the M22 + sub is the best (Johnk would certainly agree).

The main reason to keep speakers away from the wall is to avoid unwanted bass re-enforcement (boundary effects). When using a sub, you may be able to negate this by moving the crossover a little higher, thus removing some of that bass from the M22s and re-assigning it to a properly placed sub.

I was thinking that you were going to put the M22s on stands, in which case they really take up the same footprint as a floor standing speaker.

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#339760 - 02/23/11 10:14 PM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: fredk]
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Welcome. You can most certainly add other speakers as you go. I prefer to listen to stereo music in stereo mode though, unlike Johnk. My vp150 does not sound nearly as good as my m80s for vocals so I prefer two channel for most music. Maybe that will change once I pony up for a vp180

#339955 - 02/24/11 09:14 PM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: terzaghi]
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IMO, you don't get THAT much bass reinforcement from wall mounting M22's that you have to worry about it. If anything you start to get better upper bass, something that I felt was always a little lacking from my M22's on stands or other placements I have tried.


#339959 - 02/24/11 09:51 PM Re: Planning an Axiom purchase [Re: terzaghi]
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David, that's understandable, so you should use the M80s, not the VP150, for the vocals. Nevertheless, you should still play in surround sound, probably using DPLII. To take the VP150 out of it you can either set the speaker menu to center "None" or set the Center Width DPLII parameter all the way to the outside. In either case, the M80s will play anything that would ordinarily have been assigned to the center speaker, but you'll still have the surround effect of the rest of the DPLII mode.

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