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#352300 - 07/23/11 12:37 AM Re: Marantz AV7005+Outlaw7700 or Denon 3311 +7200 [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 06/30/11
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After i check my setting RLC is set to Fullband and qs8 is 150
also channel lvl r-6db c-7db l-6db and qs8 is -3db
So i did what sirquak said Change to small, and then maybe bump up the crossover to 80.
and it sound a lots better and lounder i can't even go to 0db again the highest vol i go is now -6to -10db
Thank everyone for save me 2k and now i really enjoy Music and movie ^_^

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#352301 - 07/23/11 01:27 AM Re: Marantz AV7005+Outlaw7700 or Denon 3311 +7200 [Re: xboyfriends]
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Very good, xbf; enjoy. Yes, sirquak has saved the day for many of our members who thought that the way to solve a problem was to throw money at an amplifier.
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#352304 - 07/23/11 11:47 AM Re: Marantz AV7005+Outlaw7700 or Denon 3311 +7200 [Re: JohnK]
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I am very happy that that solved your problem however, I can't really understand why!
The M80s were set to large so playing full range. Even if the crossover was set low to 40Hz, the M80s will play down to 25 Hz or so and the EP500 from 40Hz down. Now with the new setting, the M80s will play to 80Hz and then the sub from 80Hz down. If the system is calibrated properly, it should be no difference in volume by the 20Hz-80Hz being played by the sub vs by the towers.
Can someone tell me what am I missing?
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#352322 - 07/23/11 10:26 PM Re: Marantz AV7005+Outlaw7700 or Denon 3311 +7200 [Re: bdpf]
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Bruno, I also was very happy that the supposed volume problem was solved, and I was terrified by the thought that if we tried to analyze it in more detail, it would re-appear.

Nevertheless, in what you describe, the crossover setting with the M80s set "Large" would be of no significance unless a "+" type of setting had been selected(no indication that this was the case). Otherwise, the EP500 would play no main channel bass at all, regardless of the crossover setting. I'll take the risk of speculating that an unsatisfactory bass level(because the sub was playing no main channel bass)was masquerading as an inadequate overall volume level, which was corrected when the EP500 began to play the main channel low bass.
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#352327 - 07/24/11 01:47 AM Re: Marantz AV7005+Outlaw7700 or Denon 3311 +7200 [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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This is what Audyssey auto adjust for my system
Speaker config Front =large Center =Large Sub = yes Surround = small
Distance L=9.7ft R=10.2ft C= 9.1ft L surround=8.3 and R surround =6.2
Crossover Front= fullband C=Fullband Surround= 120hz
and the reason that why my system is not lound i guess is Channel level L= -6.5 R= -5 C=-7 sub =+3.5 Lsur-3 and Rsur=-5

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#352334 - 07/24/11 11:20 AM Re: Marantz AV7005+Outlaw7700 or Denon 3311 +7200 [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 12/27/08
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Loc: It's all about the location.
Also, it depends on the room size and type(enclosed/wide open) as well as the listening distance as to what is too loud/not loud enough. The 3311 is basically a newer version of my 2809 and will play VERY loud in a typical home setup. I also concur with Randy's suggestion of checking your settings.
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#352340 - 07/24/11 12:23 PM Re: Marantz AV7005+Outlaw7700 or Denon 3311 +7200 [Re: JohnK]
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John,
I understand what your saying but what I'm trying to get at is that the 25-80Hz range is played in case 1 by the M80s , in case 2 buy the EP500. If the AVR is set at 0dB, the the volume at 50Hz for example should be the same in both cases if the system is calibrated properly. If he had "double bass" enabled, it would be even louder in case 1. I still can't understand why his system sounds "louder" now.
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#352446 - 07/25/11 09:56 PM Re: Marantz AV7005+Outlaw7700 or Denon 3311 +7200 [Re: bdpf]
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IIRC, there is a chance that with double bass enabled the bass from the Mains can nullify the bass from the sub depending on positionind and room design
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