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#356478 - 10/10/11 08:16 PM Re: m22v3 fronts/m3v3 rears? [Re: fredk]
ajacks7553 Offline
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Registered: 11/21/10
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
So I received the svs last week and just got my Axiom's yesterday and set them up last night. Just thought i'd post my initial impressions.

My first reaction is that I can see now why people always recommend using a sub with these speakers. I'm assuming it's because I'm used to the m3's, but they don't sound as 'full' without a sub. That being said, you can definitely tell a difference in the clarity of the mids, they feel more open, you can hear greater detail than with the M3's.

I'm actually moving house in a couple of weeks so I haven't bothered setting up my sub properly, but WOW what a difference placement makes. I have the sub next to my front right speaker at the moment and on one couch it sounds just ok, the other couch has no bass and then in only one corner of the room the bass is perfect! I know I could play with placement to get it perfect but I'll wait for the new place.

So for now, without the sub performing very well from my listening position, the m22's sound open and clear but somehow lacking. From that one corner though, it sounds amazing. Looking forward to getting my next room set-up properly so that my listening position is the best it can be.

I've read lots about sub placement (this is the first I've bought) and I'm surprised at just how MASSIVE the effect of placement is. So often, as you all would know, purchasing new components and/or speakers is about nuances. Speaker placement is definitely all about nuances, the staging or imaging will only differ slightly - this is definitely not one of those cases.

Will be back with a full review in a couple of weeks - if anyone has any tips/hints/comments please go for it!

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Adam


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#356480 - 10/10/11 10:03 PM Re: m22v3 fronts/m3v3 rears? [Re: ajacks7553]
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Adam, the "fullness" point you mention comparing the M22 to the M3 isn't because the M22 has less bass extension, because tests show that it's actually tuned a few Hz lower than the M3. The M3 has an elevated response in the mid/upper bass which gives an impression of overall better bass but is actually slightly less accurate. With your good sub and the M22s dividing the bass range it should be excellent for the entire 20-200Hz when properly set up.

Typically in a room that isn't square, a good position for a single sub is directly in the corner near one of the main speakers.
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#356502 - 10/11/11 10:47 AM Re: m22v3 fronts/m3v3 rears? [Re: JohnK]
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Registered: 10/05/06
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Loc: PEI, Canada
Yes. Similar to, but nearly to the same extent as, Kicker car speakers. Kicker has made a very successful business based on a design where they severely bump the mid/upper bass range in their speakers because a large portion of the population loves to feel their shirt vibrate.

I went to go find a Kicker frequency response graph to visually demonstrate but they seemed to have dropped them from their web sight. They were there (or at least somewhere) in the summer when I was looking around at car speakers.
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#356653 - 10/15/11 02:25 AM Re: m22v3 fronts/m3v3 rears? [Re: Murph]
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Adam, do the "sub crawl" to find the best(in your opinion) placement for the sub.
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#356723 - 10/16/11 11:06 PM Re: m22v3 fronts/m3v3 rears? [Re: jakewash]
ajacks7553 Offline
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Registered: 11/21/10
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Will definitely be doing the "sub crawl" when I move into the new place in 2.5 weeks Jakewash.

I did tinker a little and I don't know whether I was listening to bad source material during my first impressions, whether my ears have adapted to the sound of the M22's but my first impressions have completely changed! The sound out of these babies is incredible. The one thing that REALLY shines over the M3's is vocals. Wow, both male and female vocals have a lot more clarity and presence through these speakers.

I hate having my M3's sitting in the corner not plugged in though. They're just waiting for the move so they can be set up as surrounds!

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#356731 - 10/17/11 02:19 AM Re: m22v3 fronts/m3v3 rears? [Re: ajacks7553]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Most likely a little of both, your mind has adjusted to hearing the M22's and good material makes a noticeable difference with them.
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