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#362375 - 01/01/12 06:49 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: Ken.C]
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#362377 - 01/01/12 07:06 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: Ken.C
Charles, you have called down the trolls upon us.


True. I really wasn't thinking at the time I posted. Not that I think all conversation about it should be avoided, either. It's an unfortunate falling out that is going to sour people on both sides, but I think Axiom has more to lose. Not a lot would be lost if Audioholics went away, since they still review only a tiny portion of what's out there, but Axiom makes actual products that a lot of people like.
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#362378 - 01/01/12 07:13 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: Ken.C]
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I clipped this from Myth #1.

Unless the driver has been meticulously custom-designed and custom-manufactured to have a natural, precise, controlled rolloff at the upper end of its operating range (which is theoretically doable, but is often a very expensive proposition)

Isn't this exactly what Axiom does?

The crossover image doesn't bother me in the least. It's 2 resitors and 2 capacitors. If that is what the design is then fine. Why would it be any better if it was on fancier looking board or if the caps were a prettier color?
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#362382 - 01/01/12 08:29 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: terzaghi]
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Originally Posted By: terzaghi
I guess I'm one of the lucky few that has an amazing set of speakers from a company that does the exact opposite of what "good" speaker manufacturers do...

Maybe they only got mine right?


"the proof of the pudding is in the eating", right?

in my book, "superb" sound = "superb" speakers; it can't be otherwise.

when i got my M80s, i found that the enclosure was not very rigid, but i could not hear any bad effects, and the sound is first class.
if it was not, then i would not be able to say that the reproduction is very realistic; my room just disappears...pffft! and i'm away in the recording hall, listening to beautiful music in all it's glory.
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#362383 - 01/01/12 08:34 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: J. B.]
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an important thing i would like to remind people on here.

the only good way of dealing with those "funny" people is to not answer whatever they write.
when their audience is lost, they go away....pffft!
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#362386 - 01/01/12 09:00 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: J. B.]
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I think I'd check your seams. It sounds like you have a slow leak. pffft!

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#362388 - 01/01/12 09:16 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: gtpsuper]
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Originally Posted By: gtpsuper
Cheesy Crossover read post #39 http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/lou...cabinets-4.html

Unless Gene is a lier.

You paid $1060 for a pair of towers that you realize that the midrange gets overloaded but your OK with that? Really?! What happens if someone wants to play there M60s in 2.0 stereo, you can't set them below 80hrz? Even though they have a 40hrz freq response.


OK I stand corrected on the Xover. Yikes!

I also found it here:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/architectural/axiom-algonquin/algonquin-build-quality

DeLasala also discusses how he'd like to see the Xover improved. Still an overall favorable review from what I see.


As for the M60 mids, I don't often play my M60s that loud so it's not a big deal to me. When I have party's I simply use bass management and have a friend bring along an extra sub for more bass. I may eventually pick up another EP500 sub so I can have stereo subs and always run my M60s crossed over.

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#362389 - 01/01/12 09:18 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: Lampshade]
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Originally Posted By: Lampshade
I clipped this from Myth #1.

Unless the driver has been meticulously custom-designed and custom-manufactured to have a natural, precise, controlled rolloff at the upper end of its operating range (which is theoretically doable, but is often a very expensive proposition)

Isn't this exactly what Axiom does?

The crossover image doesn't bother me in the least. It's 2 resitors and 2 capacitors. If that is what the design is then fine. Why would it be any better if it was on fancier looking board or if the caps were a prettier color?



Not what I got from that passage at all. 2nd order filters are still a minimum requirement from what I read. I know Harman doest 2nd order or higher on all their xovers, especially their metal cone woofers. Revel for example uses 4th order networks but lets not confuse an Axiom speaker with Revel. Revel cost a lot more and of course the performance will be much higher as a result...

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#362390 - 01/01/12 09:24 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: JBall]
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Honestly, I don't see this article as an attack on Axiom--that's not an Axiom crossover pictured, and the only one I know of that uses a simple crossover is the M3. Unless I'm missing something obvious, this is a mountain out of a molehill.
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#362392 - 01/01/12 09:32 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: Ken.C]
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Got my interest up on Revel speakers, so I decided to check them out. I don't like the look of plastic speakers, so to me that's a complete turn off. Their upper end towers look like plastic.

The center channel speakers look to be designed and priced similar to the VP160. But the Revel speaker seems to be lacking on the low end. Missing bass ports. I'd take the VP160 over the similarly priced Revel C12 center any day.

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