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#365895 - 02/06/12 11:16 AM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: michael_d]
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I did think about hanging the mains, but they would be right in the the projector path for 2.35 viewing. I think I'm just going to grab a set of those recliners that Costso has. I should have bought them last time I was there, but I have been trying to limit my spontaneous Costco buying habit for a while.... go in for TP, come out with a patio set kind of buying in that damn place.

My next home will have a much different HT. I've learned a lot with this one, mostly what not to do. I can say that the next one, no matter what else I change from now till then, will be AT LEAST 16' wide and AT LEAST 24' in depth. This will enable two rows and four seats across.

Dean - specific question for you. If I do end up removing the upper VP150 center, I'll then have some room for height speakers. I MIGHT be able squeeze QS-8's above the screen, but they will be really tight. Seeing how you have played with height speakers a bit, what would you go with - in my room that is.
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#365896 - 02/06/12 11:21 AM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: michael_d]
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Originally Posted By: michael_d
blah blah blah REMODEL blah blah blah


Geez, that's a good idea.
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#365902 - 02/06/12 11:58 AM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: michael_d]
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Quote:

Dean - specific question for you. If I do end up removing the upper VP150 center, I'll then have some room for height speakers. I MIGHT be able squeeze QS-8's above the screen, but they will be really tight. Seeing how you have played with height speakers a bit, what would you go with - in my room that is.


Michael based on the width of your room 12í, and what looks like a standard ceiling height I donít think the cost of QS8s would be justified especially if you are planning to put them in what looks like a recessed area above your screen. I think you would get more utility value out of a pair of M2s as height speakers or even mounting your spare M22s on their sides in that room (the driver orientation wonít matter with only ambient sound coming from the heights unless the two speakers are so close that you get interference).

What I found trying out different height speakers QS8, M22 and M2 was that having room for the sound to disperse out before being reflected toward me is what made the difference in the QS8s sounding better in the height role. I discovered this while trying different placements and realized that mounting the QS8s on the front wall required them to be almost equidistant from the ceiling and side walls. Here the QS8s didnít sound much different than the M22s or M2s. However as I moved them out toward the seating along the side walls it brought them closer to the peak in the vaulted ceiling and farther from the front wall with the distance to both now being very unequal. This made a big difference in how the dispersed sound from the QS8s spread around the room compared to the direct nature of the M22s and M2s.

The only reason I would go with QS8 height speakers in your present room would be to future proof toward moving to the larger 16 x 24 room you would like. Even then IMO a vaulted or at least high ceiling is a huge bonus with or without height speakers.

I also feel that a second center above the screen is more beneficial in most cases than height speakers, more so if you have multiple rows of seating that block a lower center from directly hitting the second or further rows.
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#365921 - 02/06/12 04:33 PM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: michael_d]
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Thanks Dean. Out of curiosity, what about the smaller QS4?
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#365952 - 02/07/12 12:48 AM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: michael_d]
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Due to the ambient nature of the sounds coming from the height speakers I think QS4s would do just as well as QS8s in the height role. However, if mounted in that recess or on the front wall I think that even more so than in my room the sound dispersion would still be quite similar to a direct radiating speaker because most of the reflecting surfaces are so close to the speakers.

I hadnít thought of it before but if you could mount QS speakers on your ceiling you could bring them out from the front and even side walls enough to get some really good dispersion of the sound which would probably make the upgrade to them from direct radiating speakers more worthwhile.

Just a note for those reading this. The QS speakers actually have great dispersion as surround and rear speakers even when placed close to the ceiling and other walls I think in part because they are also reflecting off the floor which tends to be far enough away to produce some good ambiance and reduce directionality. However, when placed up front their reflections from the floor are competing with the mains and center tending to get drowned out, which is why I think they benefit from having more distance from the ceiling and other walls to enhance their ambiance in the height role.
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#365955 - 02/07/12 01:00 AM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: grunt]
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Dean, I just wanted to say I appreciate the value you bring to these discussions about heights and wides, among other topics. Thanks!
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#365966 - 02/07/12 10:55 AM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: michael_d]
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Thanks for the input Dean. I have some pondering to do....
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#366029 - 02/08/12 10:40 AM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: CV]
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Originally Posted By: CV
Dean, I just wanted to say I appreciate the value you bring to these discussions about heights and wides, among other topics. Thanks!



Thanks Charles! I know I havenít been posting as much for a while. Many of the issues I used to espouse on are now being said by others and I have no interest in most ďgeneralĒ discussions. Combine that with the greater amount of time Iím spending on exercise forums and something has to give. However, I do try to chime in when I feel I have something above average to contribute to the discussion. Iím also sure Iíll start commenting more again soon when I start then next round of inevitable upgrades like a second center above the screen (now determined to be a must have), still want the mid-bass modules, probably some separate amps when I add a second center (pushing the Onkyo to its limit already), but need some dedicated 20 amp circuits run before that . . . never ends does it. Other upgrades came to a halt since Iím still reveling in the upgrade to the AE7000. The PQ is so much better than the AE4000 Iím totally blown away and loving it. Now that Iím talking about it I should get off my butt and make this happen before the first week of march so I have it all for ME3. wink
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#366055 - 02/08/12 01:12 PM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: grunt]
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Hi Dean,
Does the AE7000 have a discrete power on/off command? As you know I've never found the optimal solution for the AE4000, just a decent work around. Also good to hear about the 7000 being way better in PQ - I was never completely happy with the 4000.
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#366057 - 02/08/12 01:44 PM Re: A couple pics: VP160 with stand [Re: michael_d]
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Dan I havenít bothered to look for one, since Iíve been too lazy to program everything into my universal remote. I can say that they both respond to the same IR commands so I have to put a piece of electricians tape over the IR receiver on the one Iím not using.

As to PQ there really is no comparison. I never realized the PQ on the AE4000 wasnít so great since I had nothing to compare it too and the hugeness of it lent a quality of its own. However, this is quite literally night and day difference even without any calibration. The image is noticeably sharper and the added brightness makes everything look more vivid and 3D even in 2D mode. Itís actually so bright that when I moved the AE7000 up to within 15í rather than 19í from the screen even in eco mode it was too bright and gave me eye strain after a few hours of gaming because of how dark my room is, so I had to move it back to the back wall.
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