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#370054 - 03/17/12 11:46 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: SBrown]
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Do we get outriggers thrown in too? I need a pair for the M80's also..............uuuummmmm what else???
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#370064 - 03/18/12 12:41 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
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Ian, or Andrew,

What is the difference between the die cast drivers, and the regular stamped drivers... I understand the manufacturing differences, is there a SQ difference?

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#370067 - 03/18/12 12:53 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: dakkon]
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Originally Posted By: dakkon
What is the difference between the die cast drivers, and the regular stamped drivers... I understand the manufacturing differences, is there a SQ difference?


I'm not Ian, but I've been informed by him that there's no sonic difference.
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#370068 - 03/18/12 01:00 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
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What is the point then? are there any photos available of the die cast drivers?

Thanks for the answer CV

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#370069 - 03/18/12 01:08 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: dakkon]
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Steve H said he would be adding pictures of the die cast drivers.

The point is the same as the one for bi-wire inputs, I suppose. To appease a certain segment of the market. I wonder if they'll do the same thing with crossover parts at some point.
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#370073 - 03/18/12 08:50 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: dakkon]
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Originally Posted By: dakkon
Ian, or Andrew,

What is the difference between the die cast drivers, and the regular stamped drivers... I understand the manufacturing differences, is there a SQ difference?


Here is Andrew's reply from another post . . .

Originally Posted By: Andrew

ALL of our drivers are designed and manufactured in-house. This is the only way to have full control over performance and quality. Our subwoofer baskets are already die-cast. The reasoning for a die-cast option for the other drivers is more perception than anything else. Some manufacturers use very thin-walled stamped steel woofer baskets that can resonate at some frequencies. However, the standard Axiom baskets are made from very heavy gauge steel and do not "ring". You can expect identical performance from either the standard or die-cast option. smile

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#370075 - 03/18/12 10:10 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Jc]
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Originally Posted By: dakkon
Ian, or Andrew,

What is the difference between the die cast drivers, and the regular stamped drivers... I understand the manufacturing differences, is there a SQ difference?


Here is Andrew's reply from another post . . .

Originally Posted By: Andrew

ALL of our drivers are designed and manufactured in-house. This is the only way to have full control over performance and quality. Our subwoofer baskets are already die-cast. The reasoning for a die-cast option for the other drivers is more perception than anything else. Some manufacturers use very thin-walled stamped steel woofer baskets that can resonate at some frequencies. However, the standard Axiom baskets are made from very heavy gauge steel and do not "ring". You can expect identical performance from either the standard or die-cast option. smile




I have a hard time believing this. All the best speakers in the world use Cast baskets and its not b/c of marketing.

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#370076 - 03/18/12 10:14 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
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#370077 - 03/18/12 10:25 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: JBall]
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I have a hard time believing this. All the best speakers in the world use Cast baskets and its not b/c of marketing.


I would wager that very few people have ever performed a controlled comparison of the two. It's pretty much impossible if you don't build drivers in-house and have an anechoic chamber to precisely match the drivers being compared. The test then needs to be performed blind, precisely level matched, and repeated multiple times to compensate for different speaker positions.

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#370078 - 03/18/12 10:54 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Andrew]
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Originally Posted By: JBall

I have a hard time believing this. All the best speakers in the world use Cast baskets and its not b/c of marketing.


I would wager that very few people have ever performed a controlled comparison of the two. It's pretty much impossible if you don't build drivers in-house and have an anechoic chamber to precisely match the drivers being compared. The test then needs to be performed blind, precisely level matched, and repeated multiple times to compensate for different speaker positions.



At nearly $4k / pair cast baskets should be a standard not an option. It's not always just about determining a difference in a blind test. It's a matter of pride in build quality and using the highest quality of parts if you chose to charge such a premium for your speakers. I don't see your competitors fighting so hard to rationalize using better parts. They just do.

It seems odd to me that you would nickle and dime us $120 for such an expensive speaker and not just make it a standard option included in the current price.

The same is true for how you now charge for bi-amping options on your speakers which used to be standard and while your speakers retailed at a lower cost. Now your speakers cost more money and offer less standard options.


Edited by JBall (03/18/12 11:17 AM)

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