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#372934 - 04/11/12 04:30 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: pmbuko]
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Registered: 02/05/06
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Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Wha?

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#372939 - 04/11/12 04:40 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
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#372947 - 04/11/12 05:06 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
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I see resemblances to that cucumber guy on Veggie Tales.

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#372948 - 04/11/12 05:13 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: pmbuko]
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Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Originally Posted By: nickbuol
Maybe I should move to France. I would still hate the government, the people could care less about me, but at least I could travel to other countries easier than I can travel to some other states.

You face barriers, other than distance, traveling to other states? Wha?


I mean, I can be in multiple European countries in about the same distance and driving between a couple states in the U.S. Heck, France is smaller than the state of Texas...

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#372953 - 04/11/12 05:43 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: nickbuol]
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Just move to the New England area. smile
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#372954 - 04/11/12 05:44 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: nickbuol]
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Registered: 02/08/04
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Originally Posted By: nickbuol
We can keep following this trail back to unemployed people, increasing costs for consumables (food, gas, housing, etc) and more lower income families can't afford it, plus the estimated 11.2 Million illegal immigrants, 8 Million of which are also working here illegally (mot paying taxes, or for healthcare) thus increasing both the healthcare problem, but also the general taxation problem. I know that I would love to get paid cash and not pay taxes.


Nick, illegal immigrants do pay taxes.. They pretty much all pay sales tax, if we were truly worried about this "cost" issue, why not fund health care through sales tax, like they do in England? This ensures that EVERYONE will pay, even turists. Unless there is a VERY sizable black market, it is inevitable that you will get 100% participation in funding. The problem with this idea, is that it is a regressive tax...

There are also sizable numbers of illegal immigrants who have
social security numbers.



If the fundamental structure of our tax laws were changed. Then this financial incentive to come to the U.S. illegally could be diminished... if there was a 20-25% national sales tax, and citizens got a quarterly refund, depending on income... Well, if you wanted to come here illegally and pay through the nose for the cost of living.. Why not!?

But, i think we can agree that there will be not sweeping change in the Tax, laws.. Heck, congress hasn't even passed a freaking budget in the last what, 3 years?

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#372959 - 04/11/12 06:08 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
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Dakkon, a flat sales tax would be fine, except you know our politicians would load us up with other taxes and income taxes as well.

That illegal aliens pay sales tax does nothing to alter the fact that they consume services whose cost is orders of magnitude greater than the sales tax they may pay.

More than 50% of the people in this country don't pay any income tax. These are the freeloaders. They are recipients of transfer payments from the productive sector of society. They get to vote to take more of my money. Why am I working for them? What qualifies one group of people as a recipient class, while another sector of society is designated as an involuntary donor class? How is it fair that the group designated as the recipient class gets to vote on how much of my money they get to take from me? While Proudhon the French socialist proclaimed "Property is theft," the truth is, burdensome taxation intended to transfer wealth from one group of citizens to another, is theft. What is to stop the self proclaimed 99% from voting to take all my property?

Socialism is theft, inefficient and the road to serfdom.

PS, it's the Senate that hasn't even proposed a budget for 3 years. Harry Reid promises he will not propose a budget. After all, if the American people saw what the democrats had in store for them, they'd be as scared as they should be.

The Republican majority House has proposed a budget every year. Obama's budget was put up to a vote in the House (against the wishes of the democrats) and Obama's budget was UNANIMOUSLY defeated. Every democrat and every republican voted against it. That's an accomplishment.


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#372960 - 04/11/12 06:15 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
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Originally Posted By: BobKay
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Next thought: a single world religion, or else?

Sorry, sorry.

Ain't gonna work. Mark will never pray on the altar of Bob.
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#372963 - 04/11/12 06:43 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: 2x6spds]
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Registered: 02/08/04
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Originally Posted By: 2x6spds

More than 50% of the people in this country don't pay any income tax. These are the freeloaders. They are recipients of transfer payments from the productive sector of society..



I don't understand why the republican pendents don't point this fact... Every time i think they are going to point this fact out... They DON'T!!... it really bugs me, this is the perfect argument that they have against the Buffett rule, and they aren't using it!

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#372965 - 04/11/12 06:49 PM Re: Just the Two of Them [Re: BobKay]
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True dakkon. Also, the Buffett Rule would effectively double the Capital Gains Tax. Where do you think capital will go then? Anywhere but here!

Obama's policies, including his signature energy policy, are intended to cripple this country and bring us low.

He gets it. I hope the electorate does in time as well.
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