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#37381 - 03/16/04 05:18 PM M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
drmurray Offline
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Registered: 11/09/03
Posts: 14
Loc: New Hampshire, USA
Hello

Being my age (old) and "out of the loop" on HT for the past 10 -15 years, I had to do some significant research over the past 6-8 months before making a move to fill my newly finished basement with HT toys. The last music system I purchased only had two speaker outputs, and CD, AUX and PHONO inputs. All of my comments should therefore be considered of the newbie variety.

Unlike most of you, I am buying everything from scratch vs. upgrading, because essential, there is nothing to upgrade.

The company I work with is a major supplier to Denon so I took advantage of their offer to get the 5900 DVD player and 4802 AVR at a tremendous discount Note that I wasn't smart enough to know that the Denon Link can only be used between the 5900 and the larger 5802 AVR.

I tried to listen to as many speakers as possible, but nothing under $8K a pair sounded that great up here in NH, and my budget is in the $2-4K vicinity for a complete set.

I was fortunate to audition some Rockets at a nearby residence several months ago, and they immediately made my target list.

I have also been intrigued with the Axiom's based on the enthusiastic users online. Although I haven't heard them yet, I have decided to take advantage of the 30 day try out offer and test the Axiom M60's against the Rockets with my own gear in my own house. I figure this is really the only way to audition them. I got the idea of course from this board (thanks).

So everything arrived this week and now I am struggling to hook everything up. I am going to focus on the two mains first for 30 days, then worry about the surrounds, center and video later. Here are some initial impressions without actually listening to anything:

1. Denon's manuals absolutely suck
2. Both Onix & Axiom have the nicest and most knowledgable staffs that I have ever encountered. Both graciously accepted this challenge and neither tried to sway me with salespeak. Both were confident the music would do the talking.
3. Both speakers look fabulous. They are about the same size.
4. Clearly I am over my head in technology. The back of the 4802 has more inputs than the Mustang Ranch. Jumping from what I had to this is like Fred Flinstone stepping out of the brontosaurus-mobile into a Porsche. I have called for reinforcements. I hope to get everything hooked up before my thirty days are over.
5. Did I mention the Denon manuals suck?

I will try to keep you posted. I will be posting the same comments on the Onix (AV123) board.

I would like to thank all those on this board who have already graciously provided me with assistance.

-drmurray


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#37382 - 03/16/04 05:47 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
curtis Offline
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Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1501
Loc: Manhattan Beach, CA
I will be reading with a lot of interest on both boards.

Which Rockets?

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#37383 - 03/16/04 05:48 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
spiffnme Offline
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Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
I'm VERY anxious to hear how this turns out. As I've said before, the Axioms and Rockets sound VERY different. (At least the models I heard did!)

BTW...where in NH are you at? I lived in Rye, NH for a long time!
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#37384 - 03/16/04 06:21 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
pmbuko Offline
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16273
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
In reply to:

more inputs than the Mustang Ranch


May I be the first to say that, with a sense of humor like that, you'll be a welcome addition to this board if you should choose to stick around.
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#37385 - 03/16/04 06:33 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
curtis Offline
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Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1501
Loc: Manhattan Beach, CA
On the Rocket board it says you will compare the RS750's.

It will be interesting...but that is a huge price difference.

$800(free shipping) and $1499(plus shipping)

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#37386 - 03/16/04 06:38 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Nice post! Like the others, I'll be interested in your opinions. Don't be shy. Tell us how you REALLY feel about the Denon manuals.
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#37387 - 03/16/04 07:34 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
Ray3 Offline
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2841
Loc: Rochester, NY
First, I must clear something up. Spiff, I have ties older than you are. You are not old enough to have lived ANYWHERE for a long time.

Now, on to business. drmurray (may I call you dr?), I frankly don't care which speakers you get. At this point, the important thing is that you simply keep posting on the board!!! With some practice, you will overcome your natural reticence to express your self.

While I maybe one of the few who noticed that your moniker ends in "ray", which I feel as almost always a good thing, I was able to identify a kindred spirit. Old guy, twisted perspective, easily spends too much money without understanding what is being bought (VERY nice move on the Denon link thing!), a bunch of Denon equipment and easily confused by technology and (not that hard) manuals. If you also have a persistent rash that is resistant to penicillin and Drano, I'd suggest that we submit to a DNA test - there could be a gene commonality. Now, if you ALSO drool regularly and have less than 3 teeth, I'm guessing you will be privileged to see Ajax clamor to become another new best friend!

On a more serious note, it's nice to see you jump in with both feet. Doing the in-house thing is special. (BTW, the good news is that the speakers don't use Denon link) I expect that when you are done, the Axioms will have another new owner. Let me also throw in a plug for a new SVS sub before spiff shows up with his misguided HSU comments. (both are great and each have terrific staffs)

If the speaker smackdown ends in a draw, keep in mind that the Axiom line includes the QS8s. They are the unsung stars in the lineup. OK.... they ARE sung about alot, but it should be louder.

Just thinking out loud. The 4802 is a nice unit. The 5803A is a nice HUGE ( 2 pounds from qualifying for it's own zip code) and expensive unit. The 3805 was just introduced and is now shipping (it has Denon link). Do you have a chance to trade that 4802 (or sell it outright) and catch the 3805 with your discount discount? Worth considering.

As you say, keep us posted and good luck with the speaker wrestling match.

Ray

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#37388 - 03/16/04 07:38 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
spiffnme Offline
axiomite

Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
Dang...I got slammed twice in one post!

OK..."a long time" is relative. I'm 31...I spent the first 22 years of my life in and around NH/ME. To me, that's a long time.

Misguided Hsu comments!? Hsu and SVS are the kings of the subwoofer world. No more needs to be said.


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#37389 - 03/16/04 07:53 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
Ray3 Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2841
Loc: Rochester, NY
Jesus, EVERYTHING I own is older than you are. How is that possible?

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#37390 - 03/16/04 07:57 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
pmbuko Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16273
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
I don't believe you. Take your ear hair, for example. I doubt that showed up more than 30 years ago.
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