The only "imperfection" i could find on one of my B stock speakers was a little bit too much clear glue on the driver... This was AFTER owning the speaker for 7 years and having it apart 3 times..... The imperfections are small enough that someone who doesn't deal with the product on a daily basis would almost certainly never notice it. In all actuality, Axiom could most likely sell the majority of their "B stock" product as A stock and the owner would never know the difference......


On another note Kwik1, when i had my M60's and a VP150, i would ONLY listen to music in 2 channel stereo.. The 150 can not keep up with the M60's... No way, no how... if you want to listen to multichannel music and have everything blend well, i would either go with a vp-160 or a vp-180. I feel that the 150 is jut too small of a speaker. However, this is just my opionion....

Hey dakkon, thanks for the info on the b-stock.
Vp-150 is that bad for music eh?
Well, if I go Axiom, I'll get the M60's for now, and get the rest in due time. If I find the M60's good for music on their own, I may just go vp-100 or vp-150 for the tv stuff. Heck, I don't even have a newer tv yet. I'm still using a Sony crt! Just waiting for the right sale to come along.

The other thing I like better with the Axiom's over the Paradigm's is a much more efficient speaker. I just got a new Pioneer receiver that has 110 watts/ch and I don't want to have to get a separate amp to boot.

I wouldn't say "bad", but under sized when compared or matched with a pair of M60's or other tower speakers. I think if you had a pair of M22's and a 150 then everything would blend much better, as all of the speakers would be of a simmilar size..

Keep in mind, the M60's are towers with lots of space.. The 150 is a pretty small speaker.

Here are a couple photos, the top speaker is a VP150, the bottom is a VP180

When I inquired with Axiom about their B stock product, I was told most of the time it was either to much glue, or minor scratches on a driver. For the additional savings, I choose this route.

Thanks for the photos dakkon. There is a definate difference in size!
There is a vp-160 on the auction up in 45 minutes.
The tv stand I'm looking at might not be able to accomodate the vp-160. Mainly the height of it. The vp-150 would fit like a charm. I'm having a tough time deciding whether to get the 160, or go for the 150.

Thanks for that Gary, I think my mind is okay with b-stock now.

Just to note, as announced in the August Newsletter earlier today, the Factory Outlet has been returned to allow purchase of essentially any "blemished" Axiom speaker at a 10% discount(replacing the "Auction" process for specific units).

This was the process until two years ago, and it appeared to me and others to have worked well and didn't need fixing. We had been able to suggest to prospective Axiom owners that they could get a 10% discount(and an additional 5% for purchasing at least 5 items)to better fit their budget, by purchasing from the Outlet. The substitution of the auction format for specific items was inadequate in my view and I've never suggested it to anyone.

John, you almost sound bitter.

I have to say the FO is my preference as well. The idea of online auctions is so passe...

Holy crap I did not think there was that much of a size difference.