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#385325 - 11/08/12 10:25 PM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: Andrew]
cohesion Offline
local

Registered: 03/27/12
Posts: 219
Loc: Maple, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Andrew
I thought I would open a new thread for discussion of Axiom subwoofers in general, and the development of the next generation in particular. With all that has been learned during the design and engineering of the new amplifier line, it has naturally lead us towards looking at our subwoofer amplifier platforms to see what improvements might be possible. To do this is going to require a better understand of how you are using your subwoofers, and with what types of partnering equipment. So, I'd like to start off with a serious of questions which I'm hoping everyone will answer and share with us and the group. You never know, your answers to these questions might allow us to make some significant improvements to the future Axiom subwoofer line-up!

Now, on to the questions:

What Axiom subwoofer(s) do you own?

Yamaha YST-SW315

Where do you have the Level, Frequency, Phase, and Subsonic Filter (if applicable) controls set?

Level 7/10 Frequency about 120 Hz - This sub has neither Phase nor Subsonic Filter

How are you connecting your signal source to the subwoofer (RCA/XLR/High Level)?

RCA

What receiver/processor/pre-amp/integrated amplifier are you using?

Denon 4802

What are you using for your main speakers?

LFRs

Where do you have the crossover frequency and trim levels set in your processor/receiver for your main speakers and your Axiom subwoofer?

THX (60?)

Are you using the trigger on your subwoofer?

Yes it has an automatic trigger that turns it on when a signal is detected on the RCA

Many, many thanks for your input!

EDIT: I am going to open up the survey to include ANY subwoofers, not only Axiom models, so please participate.

I also wanted to add that if you are not comfortable revealing the other aspects of your system, for whatever reason, you can happily send me a direct message.

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#385383 - 11/09/12 12:46 PM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: cohesion]
cohesion Offline
local

Registered: 03/27/12
Posts: 219
Loc: Maple, Ontario, Canada
I didn't get my answers properly highlighted so I'm giving it another shot as well as fixing a couple of mistakes from my original post:

What Axiom subwoofer(s) do you own?

Yamaha YST-SW315

Where do you have the Level, Frequency, Phase, and Subsonic Filter (if applicable) controls set?

Level 7/10, Frequency about 120 Hz, Phase Normal - This sub has no Subsonic Filter and likely produces no significant output below 20 Hz

How are you connecting your signal source to the subwoofer (RCA/XLR/High Level)?

RCA

What receiver/processor/pre-amp/integrated amplifier are you using?

Denon 4802

What are you using for your main speakers?

LFRs and VP180

Where do you have the crossover frequency and trim levels set in your processor/receiver for your main speakers and your Axiom subwoofer?

THX (80 Hz) but with fronts (L/C/R) set to Large

Are you using the trigger on your subwoofer?

Yes it has an automatic trigger that turns it on when a signal is detected on the RCA. This is set at "Low"

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#385441 - 11/10/12 01:28 AM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: Andrew]
jakewash Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10399
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
PB13 Ultra
Settings - level about 1/3, subsonic filter 15hz and one port plugged. room setting is large, phase 0, parametric EQ - never set it up yet - all knobs at lowest settings.

Connection - RCA
Denon 3808
M80's, VP160, QS8's

Processor set for LCR 40hz, surrounds 80hz all set to small

no trigger
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#385455 - 11/10/12 01:59 PM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: Andrew]
ClubNeon Offline
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Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 3448
Loc: Western Maryland, USA
2x Final Sound S95

The only signal setting is the Level control, it's set to 1/3 on both. No cross-over, no phase (I really like this, as those controls are in most modern receivers, and there's no reason to duplicate them in the sub with analog controls.)

The only input is RCA. The RCA output is buffered, and not just an internal Y, so there's no level loss when daisy chaining (but at the same time, downstream devices, like my Buttkicker, don't get a signal when the sub is off).

Pioneer VSX-1018AH receiver.

Axiom M22 mains.

The crossover is set to 80 Hz. The trim level for the mains is -0.5 dB and sub is +2.0 dB. These were auto configured.

The subs have a signal detect trigger, I am using it.
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#385456 - 11/10/12 03:27 PM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: ClubNeon]
CV Online   confused
Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club
shareholder in the making

Registered: 07/20/06
Posts: 11240
Loc: Richland, WA, USA
Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
The RCA output is buffered, and not just an internal Y, so there's no level loss when daisy chaining


I hadn't heard of this, but I like it.

Along the same lines, I was thinking it would be cool to have a device that takes a receiver's sub output and splits it up to maybe six ways (for my own purposes, that's four subs plus two Buttkicker amps), but also allows you to set the levels independently of each other. Avoiding daisy-chaining and level loss, along with independent level calibration, among that many LFE-producing units would be my ideal.

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#385491 - 11/11/12 12:27 PM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: CV]
CV Online   confused
Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club
shareholder in the making

Registered: 07/20/06
Posts: 11240
Loc: Richland, WA, USA
Originally Posted By: CV
Along the same lines, I was thinking it would be cool to have a device that takes a receiver's sub output and splits it up to maybe six ways (for my own purposes, that's four subs plus two Buttkicker amps), but also allows you to set the levels independently of each other. Avoiding daisy-chaining and level loss, along with independent level calibration, among that many LFE-producing units would be my ideal.


It probably goes without saying, but if someone made a device like this, you'd want a remote control. For calibration purposes, you'd have the level controls for each individual unit, and for general use, you'd have the master volume level. While you could still take care of that one in the receiver, it might be easier to do on this remote.

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#385495 - 11/11/12 01:18 PM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: Andrew]
exlabdriver Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 09/07/11
Posts: 1039
This might be slightly off-topic here, but since we're talking subs, this might helpful to some who have trouble with sub hum.

I was able to largely quell my 2 X Velo subs' hum (I suspect was from my cable TV feed) by grounding the outside barrel of one of each sub's unused RCA jacks to the 3rd prong of the house power supply. It worked only if the plug in the wall socket was positioned 'just right'. If it was disturbed at all, the hum returned.

So, in frustration I tried changing that connection to the outside barrel of an unused RCA Input on my Sony XBR TV - voila, hum completely gone.

Thankfully, no more wiggling the plug in the wall socket...

TAM

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#385657 - 11/14/12 03:56 PM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: cohesion]
cohesion Offline
local

Registered: 03/27/12
Posts: 219
Loc: Maple, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: cohesion
I didn't get my answers properly highlighted so I'm giving it another shot as well as fixing a couple of mistakes from my original post:

What Axiom subwoofer(s) do you own?

Yamaha YST-SW315

Where do you have the Level, Frequency, Phase, and Subsonic Filter (if applicable) controls set?

Level 7/10, Frequency about 120 Hz, Phase Normal - This sub has no Subsonic Filter and likely produces no significant output below 20 Hz

How are you connecting your signal source to the subwoofer (RCA/XLR/High Level)?

RCA

What receiver/processor/pre-amp/integrated amplifier are you using?

Denon 4802

What are you using for your main speakers?

LFRs and VP180

Where do you have the crossover frequency and trim levels set in your processor/receiver for your main speakers and your Axiom subwoofer?

THX (80 Hz) but with fronts (L/C/R) set to Large

Are you using the trigger on your subwoofer?

Yes it has an automatic trigger that turns it on when a signal is detected on the RCA. This is set at "Low"


Just a quick update on this: I've been tweaking my setup to get the best results with the LFR's now in my system (no DSP upgrade yet). I tried a somewhat unconventional approach to help my not so great sub extend the already low range of the LFR's using the killer LFE track on the "Master and Commander" DVD which has good content down to well below 20 Hz.

I realized that setting the sub's low pass filter as low as it can go - labelled 40 Hz - might help to focus all its amp power on the really low stuff. This way I can also bump up the volume without impacting music content.

This seems to have worked as with the sub on I can definitely hear and feel some low rumbles in the cannon battle scenes that aren't there without the sub (and didn't seem noticeable before my changes).

Coolness!

Now I may need to send my DSP back for the upgrade...

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#385686 - 11/15/12 10:29 AM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: Andrew]
DanielBMe Offline
devotee

Registered: 02/08/07
Posts: 394
Loc: Toronto - ON
Well since I couldn't edit my previous post I'll just add it here since I just received my subs.


2 x EP500v3 - using a y splitter - RCA to my Denon 3808CI
1pr M22's as mains
VP 150v3
QS4's v2

All speakers crossed at 80 and set to small.

The subs I had to turn up the gain on the back almost half way to get Audyssey to hear anything from them. I settle on +2.5 for each sub individually when I ran Audyssey then with both plugged in and running Audyssey it set them to -.5 which I then upped by 2db to +1.5


Edited by DanielBMe (11/15/12 10:57 AM)
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#385707 - 11/16/12 07:37 AM Re: Axiom Subwoofers: Survey and Next Generation [Re: Andrew]
AdrianD Offline
old hand

Registered: 01/09/12
Posts: 85
Loc: Maple, Ontario
DIY Sub (12" driver - Creative Sound Solution 12 CSS 700W RMS, BASH 300 plate, ~ 4.6 cubic ft sealed enclosure).

Level: 6
Frequency: 90 Hz
Phase: 0
Connection: RCA
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V567
Main Speakers: Jamo S426
Receiver x-over: 90 Hz
Trim: Large
Trigger: On - signal sensing
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M80 v3, 2 x Emotiva UPA-1 Monoblocks, XPA-5, UMC-1 PrePro
Pro-Ject RPM Genie, Carver C2 Phono Preamp

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