I found a good use for books.

Note that this is a 3.1 system. One set of L/C/R above TV and another set below TV. 65 Inch Panasonic VT50. Mains are about 5 feet apart.

With all of the speakers being so close together, i have to ask... Do you get very good imaging? I would think there would be nearly no imaging at all? I understand your under a space constraint given the layout of your room..

I get some imaging, or separation distinction, but not fully. Sounds better than mono. Adding surrounds should help. Concentrating on furniture, right now.

Brian, I haven't had the difficulties you mention. The points I can comment on include measuring when the room is fully furnished, not empty. 8 measurements are available and should be used for the best accuracy. Doing them at the same point doesn't accomplish anything, but they also shouldn't be separated widely. Two a foot or two to the left and right, three more a foot or two in front and two the same distance behind should work well.

You should also try the Audyssey, rather than the Audyssey Flat curve for a less prominent treble.

You mention that Dynamic Volume is off, which is suitable in most situations, but you should be sure that Dynamic EQ is on.

The manual equalizer works as described in the manual, as an alternative to Audyssey(not an adjustment to it), which Dr. Kyriakakis has termed "crude". It only allows adjustments at nine specific frequencies, rather than the hundreds of frequency and time adjustments Audyssey does. Selecting it means that Audyssey is off.

I haven't found the mic positions for 8 yet. When I run audyssey setup, it only tells me the position for 6. I search online and haven't found it yet.

Dynamic EQ is on. I prefer flat for now. Wider range and doesn't sound too bright.

I discovered doing all 6 measurements at same spot made it sound worse. But stopping after the first mic position and measurement made all the difference. Plus I got results similar to MCACC. Sounds good to me.

It would be interesting if others that run with Audyssey off, or don't like it, would try the one mic position, then go straight to calculate and store after that one measurement, and report back as to what they thought.

One other thought about the imaging is to me it works out ok, things that happen on the left side of the TV come from the left side, and visa-versa. For example, Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds at Radio City (Image on TV from pic above). With Tim on the left and Dave on the right, I can hear the separation of the 2 guitars in stereo separation just fine.

Just for fun why not use the bottom L/R as surrounds until you can add QS8's to the mix?

I've got a pair of on wall M22s not using for that if I wanted to, but rather wait for the real thing. I'm in no hurry.

Another thing I miss with the Denon receiver is the multiple saves for sound calibration. The Pioneer Elite had 6. Denon has 1. I calibrate it for a seating position in center of room, but it sounds crappy at the back of the room, would be nice to save calibrations for different seating positions.

Because the upper M22s point down to center of room, it would probably be a real challenge to get it to sound good in back of room anyway. You get mostly the tweeters from back there.

Sitting here twitling my thumbs, waiting for my new love seat to be delivered. Are you supposed to tip delivery people? I never have in the past.

Another delivery truck got away without a tip. Darn.