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#44812 - 05/14/04 11:37 AM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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Woo hoo!

Thanks for the comparison. I wasn't really worried about my order, but a little bit, you know...

I love reading speaker comparisons done by real people who don't use all the audio mumbo-jumbo that professional reviewers often do. Thanks!
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#44813 - 05/14/04 11:45 AM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Me too, Ken. Wish I could hear some 50s sometime.

John, thanks for posting your impressions. I enjoyed what you had to say.
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#44814 - 05/14/04 05:31 PM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
NeverHappy Offline
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Registered: 12/12/03
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I hate "Audio" terms also. Most if not all of it is marketing hype which is something I know a thing about.

I wish I could have said more but as I sit here listening to the 50's, there is nothing else to add. I also went down and gave the Monitor Audio 10's a listen. WOW! is all I have to say. Very nice. Good bass that was nice and tight, excellent high's and the mids are not to overpowering. If I felt like spending yet more money on this hobby I would seriously consider a pair but they are not cheap to say the least.

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#44815 - 05/14/04 07:14 PM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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John, thanks for the input on the 50s. You hear almost nothing about them. Interesting compare with the 80s. I would have thought there was a bigger difference. Sounds like you helped Ken avoid some buyer's remorse as well and that's a good thing. Well written and appreciated.

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#44816 - 06/30/04 01:45 AM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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I'm bringing this thread back to life as I have a new test I will be running soon. My father in law has been bitten by the HT bug and wants to try some Axioms. As I still have my 80's and 50's I have thrown out the idea of him getting the 60's. Most of you who have taken the time to read this thread at one point or another know that I didn't like the 80's and have been more then happy with the 50's......to be honest the more I listen to the 50's the more I like them!...........but I'm curious. A lot of you have had real good things to say on the 60's so I figure I will have my father in laws 60's sent to me so I can have a quick listen.

I'm fairly sure going in that I won't like them much as it seems the general consensus is they sound like the 80's but when the chance presented itself to hear them both, I figure why not!

Oh yeah, I know what some of you are thinking, why does he still have the 80's? I actually sold them to my brother in law who has yet to pay me in full for them so I'm hanging on to them. Yes he's family but I ain't a bank!

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#44817 - 06/30/04 02:00 AM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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In reply to:

I actually sold them to my brother in law who has yet to pay me in full for them so I'm hanging on to them.


Wise Move!

By all means keep us posted as to your impressions of the 60s relative to the 50s and the 80s. Interesting!
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#44818 - 06/30/04 01:15 PM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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Registered: 01/21/04
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never happy-

as ajax requests, please keep us informed of your impressions.. i think you may the only person on here(besides alan and amie) that have heard the 50's, 60's and 80's.. so that makes you some what of a source for information. why dont you go ahead and get the M2's, M3's and the M22's just to round out your collection.

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#44819 - 06/30/04 02:00 PM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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Don't forget the M40s. We've got a new person asking about those...
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#44820 - 07/04/04 03:50 AM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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Registered: 12/12/03
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bigjohn, I already have a set of M22's I also have a set of M3's on order! I'm going to try the 3's as a center and then as surrounds. I'm just trying new things out.

I kid you not I have owned almost all of them! If anyone thinks I'm BSing here, ask the good folks at Axiom! :-)


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#44821 - 07/05/04 01:16 PM Re: Odd question 80's vs 60's vs 50's
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Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 6
Loc: Northern Cali, soon to be Hart...
Thanks very much for your post, NeverHappy, as I happened upon it at a critical time in my decision making process. I imagine many others brand new to the Axiom line have followed the same trajectory as me ... after reading tons of glowing reviews and narrowing down my choices to the M60s or M22s, I actually sought out the bad reviews as a hedge against buyer's remorse (to which I am particularly susceptible). Now I'm finding myself a little worried about the "too bright" tag that seems to be the only line of attack against them. I certainly don't want to re-open the semantic can of worms of "bright" vs. "detailed" but if the M50 mitigates the issue at LESS cost while still delivering outstanding quality, then I may have found the perfect solution. I'm also heartened by the idea that there isn't a huge difference between the VP100 and 150, as that would save me even more money. I'm assuming by the set up you retained, that the QS8s (which now seem, in my situation anyway, to be the one Axiom upgrade that is unquestionably worth the money) still blend well with the lower models of the center and mains?

FWIW, and to protect myself against the inevitable backlash, there are a whole host of reasons why even the remote possiblity of speakers sounding "too bright" or even "overly detailed" worries me. One is that the musician I listen to the most is a guitarist named Steve Kimock who is famous for a crystalline tone that often edges close (at least to my wife's ears) to piercing on its own merits. Any additional shade in that direction might make him off limits and I couldn't bear that.

Secondly, I also collect and listen to a lot of unofficial live recordings, many of which are recorded under ideal circumstances -- with the band's full support, very expensive rigs onstage, in an high as 24bit -- but some of which are not. The idea of spending money on merciless speakers that render unlistensable an already large and ever growing collection is similarly horrifying. I also plan to incorporate a (PC) digital media server into my setup, and though I'll be using a good soundcard, it certainly won't be true audiophile quality and once again I fear the revealing qualities of the M60 or M22 would be a double-edged sword.

I'll just stop now, as I've rambled on WAY too long already (if it's not obvious, I am currently obsessed with the question of which speakers to buy next). I'd love to hear feedback, though, to anything I've said.


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