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#46630 - 05/23/04 12:54 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
Ray3 Offline
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2840
Loc: Rochester, NY
Anath, the 3805 is an excellent choice for the receiver. Denon makes consistently excellent products that give you a good value for the $$$.

Relative to speakers, try and listen to the B&W 703s (the next step up from the 603s). To my ears (do a search on the forum for other similar opinions on this), the M60s and the 703s were very similar. The 703s cost about 3x the M60s. Made my choice very easy.

Also, the Qs8s are unbelieveable and B&W had nothing that came close.

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#46631 - 05/23/04 09:59 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
edvacdude Offline
old hand

Registered: 05/18/04
Posts: 61
Loc: DFW, Texas
Hello you all,
THANKS for the helpful replies ... I APPRECIATE every one of your posts.

I"m going to drop the JBL Northridge system from my speaker list, and the Yamaha RX-V2400 from the receiver list.

Bouncing off one of the posts that dealt with the size of the room, is the decision of M60 vs. M50 mostly driven by room size? Or are M60s a superior speaker, irrespective of room size?

Thanks VERY much you all.

Ananth

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Denon AVR3805, DVD2900 Panny TH-42PX60U Sony CDPCX255 Axiom M80Ti,VP150,QS8(4) HSU VTF-3 MK3

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#46632 - 05/23/04 11:40 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
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shareholder in the making

Registered: 05/11/02
Posts: 10375
Ananth, in my view you should consider both the 2400 and 3805, which both feature automatic calibration and equalization(or for a closer price match, the new 2805).

As to the speakers, the M60s use a 5 1/4" driver for the midrange, which appears to give a slightly more forward and detailed presentation than the M50s, which use their 6 1/2" woofers to cover the midrange.
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#46633 - 11/14/04 09:39 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
edvacdude Offline
old hand

Registered: 05/18/04
Posts: 61
Loc: DFW, Texas
JohnK, it took me a while to do the actual buy. I put in an order for the following 30 minutes back :
- a pair of M80s
- two pairs of QS8s (sides, surrounds)
- a VP150
- EP500

As you all were kind enough to evaluate, this was for my media room that measures 14' X 16' X 9'. I was initially leaning towards M60, however, J.C. at Axiom customer service, persuaded me towards the M80s.

I decided to forego the home test for the AV123 Rocket RS-750(and an appropriate package); they did seem like good speakers, however, if I needed to return them, it would cost me 2X shipping

I might order Aperion's tower speaker (Intimus 522-PT) with their bookshelves to round over a 7.1 configuration and B&W 602.3s to do a home comparison. If I do, I'll post my (subjective) opinions, if y'all would like that.

Appreciate your help VERY much guys. Honestly, this is a great forum.

Ananth
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#46634 - 11/14/04 09:54 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
MykeW Offline
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Registered: 12/04/03
Posts: 289
Loc: Canada
Congrads edvacdude, thats one AWESOME system you have coming. Welcome to the EP sub club.

Get ready for the jaw cramps that will follow after you first listen to the system and find you can't get your jaw off the floor.

I can say for certain you'll LOVE the EP500. It's beautiful and is a real performer.

Be sure to post your impressions and any pics...

Which finish did you choose?

Enjoy, Jag

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#46635 - 11/14/04 10:50 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Ananth,

I don't know what you're current system comprises, but unless it's top of the line, you're gonna be blown away with what you've ordered. The EP500 will finish it off. Congrats, and I hope your really enjoy the new toys. Please DO post your impressions and, if possible, pictures of you new system.
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#46636 - 11/14/04 11:35 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
MykeW Offline
local

Registered: 12/04/03
Posts: 289
Loc: Canada
In reply to:

If I do, I'll post my (subjective) opinions, if y'all would like that.




Yes Yes Yes.....

Jag

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#46637 - 11/15/04 10:17 AM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
edvacdude Offline
old hand

Registered: 05/18/04
Posts: 61
Loc: DFW, Texas
Jag: I ordered the Boston Cherry finish: the walls in the media room are light cream, so I thought the cherry finish would be a nice contrast. I will definitely post pictures

Ajax: I had a pair of Infinity Overture series 3s that died on me a year back. They were the best I could find at Circuit City in 1997. They were coupled with an Onkyo Integra 800 series receiver (forget the actual model, it's in storage), and a CC3 center channel speaker (no rear). I'm hoping that the M80s will rival the quality of the B&W 700 series ... what do you guys think?

Ananth
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#46638 - 11/15/04 10:34 AM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
mwc Offline
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Registered: 07/21/02
Posts: 958
Loc: Texas(DFW)..that country to th...
I had heard a lot of good things about the DiAural crossover technology employed by Aperion so I ordered a pair of Intimus 522D-LRs (about a year ago). I wanted to compare them to my Axiom M22s and KEF Q15s and KEF RDM2s.

The build quality of the Aperions was first rate and the packaging was truely impressive. The speaker cabinet was much more solid than the M22s and the Q15s but not the RDM2s (not really a fair compairson as the RDMs were MSRP $1200). The 522Ds look great with the grills on. Aperion's customer service seemed to be on par with Axiom's. The customer service guy was very nice and accommodating even after I told him my opinion on the sound of the speakers.

That is about the only good thing I have to say about the Aperions. I hooked them up in a two channel configuration and put on some music. My son was there with me to listen. After about 2 minutes, I looked over at my son and he had this contorted look on his face. He said," turn it off, I can't stand any more". I agreed. He left the room and I stayed and listend for about 15 more minutes trying to be fair.

These speakers had a very harsh crispness in the upper frequencies I can only describe as bright (not the "detailed" kind of bright), the kind of "bright" that makes you reach for the remote to turn down the volume. The mids (particularly vocals) were "shouty" in an "in your face" kind of way very much like a barking dog. The Sound stage was flat as in a wall of sound rather than a perception of space, depth was non existent. Bass output on these speakers is not even worth mentioning.

I consider the Axioms to be one of the most well balanced speakers I've ever heard making them easy to listen to. By contrast the Aperions were the most unbalanced (related to frequency continuity) I've ever heard. They were the most fatiguing speakers I've ever heard.

The next day I gave them another chance thinking that maybe I wasn't in the right frame of mind or something. I listened for about 30 minutes this time. After my listening session I headed over to the Tylenol bottle to releive the headache and then promptly packed them up and went right on down to the UPS store and shipped them back to Aperion. Other Aperion speakers such as the 522D-PT may be great. They certainly look good on paper.

I don't mean to insult owners of Aperion products nor the company itself. This is just my honest opinion and reflects my tastes in music playback toys. YMMV. I strongly urge you to listen for yourself and come to your own conclusions.
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#46639 - 11/15/04 12:19 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
Ajax Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
I've heard neither the Infinities (does one change the "y" to an "ie" when it's a proper noun?) nor the B&Ws. But, as our own Ray3 states above, he did some extensive research before buying his Axioms, and he says his M60s sound very much like the B&W 703s, but for a lot less money. Your M80s will have a sonic signature almost identical to the M60s with a bit lower extension, and bunch more volume. Based on his experience, I think you'll be very happy with the M80s. (P.S. If you're not................BLAME RAY! )
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