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#46660 - 11/19/04 11:59 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
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Michael, for surrounds in 5.1, if other considerations allow, position them 2-3' above ear level and a similar distance behind the seating position(but not closer than 1' from the rear wall).
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#46661 - 11/20/04 02:49 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
MykeW Offline
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Registered: 12/04/03
Posts: 289
Loc: Canada
LOL. Tom, that's just a comment my wife would make LOL

And I would have proved her right today...

I finally figured out why the Home Depot wire in Canada is so much more "expensive" compared to you american friends. Prices are in metric....Daaaaaaaaahhhhhh! ( my only excuse is most things in construction are still not done metric here )

Anyway, I got the 16 and 14 AWG in-wall stuff (its actaully very nice wire) and will be pulling wires today for the side are rear surrounds.

Thanks again all, Jag



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#46662 - 11/20/04 02:53 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
bray Offline
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Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 1791
Loc: Colorado
I'm glad I'm not at your house today.
Fiberglass in cracks and crevices isnt fun.
Unless your into those kind of things.
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#46663 - 11/20/04 02:57 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
MykeW Offline
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Registered: 12/04/03
Posts: 289
Loc: Canada
Actually, all the yucky stuff is done. I've already made the holes and pulled string through the walls so that now all I have to do is connect the wire to the string and pull.

Now should a string break.....

I don't expect any problems though.

Cheers, Jag

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#46664 - 11/20/04 03:40 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
bray Offline
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Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 1791
Loc: Colorado
OK lets all send good vibes to JAGs house.
On the count of 3.......no breaking string, no breaking string, no breaking string...................
1. 2. 3.
Hope this helps.
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#46665 - 11/21/04 12:14 AM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
MykeW Offline
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Registered: 12/04/03
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Loc: Canada
DONE! I'm wired and ready for those surrounds.

Thanks for all the good VIBES bray and et al. everything went smoothly

If anyone wants to send more good vibes so that I get the rest of my Axioms next week that would be REALLY appreciated....!

Ohhhhh the waiting, wimper wimper...

Cheers, Jag



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#46666 - 11/21/04 12:26 AM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
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Registered: 06/10/04
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Loc: Colorado
O.K., everybody one more time.

1.2.3.

There you go, hope that helps.
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#46667 - 12/04/04 01:57 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
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Registered: 05/18/04
Posts: 61
Loc: DFW, Texas
Guys,
I haven't posted any pics yet because of several issues (wiring, equipment) that I faced over the last two weeks. While I'm waiting for the wiring firm to fix issues with the in wall wiring, and a new EP500 (the one I received was damaged in shipment), can I check with you guys on a speaker wiring issue?

The media room has in wall 16 guage speaker wiring. The shortest run is around 10 feet(front speakers). The longest (surround back speakers) is probably 30 feet (routed over the ceiling in the attic).

It's probably difficult if not impossible to replace the existing wiring in the walls.

Question: for my speaker arrangement (M80 fronts, VP150 center, QS8 for surrounds and rears), would I hear an audible difference if I use 12 guage wire? If so, I'll probably have to run it under the carpet, I guess.

I read so many contrasting opinions (audioholics, crutchfield, etc), that your opinions would clinch the matter in my mind.

Thanks again.
Ananth
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#46668 - 12/04/04 02:12 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6717
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
Here is a link to a host of wire questions and a wire table for the different gauges and lengths.
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#46669 - 12/04/04 04:40 PM Re: Axiom vs B&W vs Aperion vs JBL Northridge
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6214
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
As the table that wid provided shows, if your 30 foot runs are to 8 ohm, or 6 ohm, speakers, you should have no problem. If you're doing a 30 foot run to 4 a ohm speaker, you might. I don't really know if there would be an audible difference if you went with 12 gauge wire, but I doubt it. I use 12 gauge, just for the peace of mind it gives me.
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