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#53159 - 09/02/04 08:16 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
I didn't hear the M1 discussed either today or last night, but it wouldn't surprise me if he voted against it. Yes, that awesome machine is worth every penny, just like the Apache and the Bradlies. Oh....and don't forget the F14s. We really didn't need those, did we? John Kerry is a pacifist. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not what we need in the White House. The world is way too dangerous right now to have a dove and not a hawk in the Oval Office (his terms).

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#53160 - 09/02/04 08:19 PM Re: OT: politics
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axiomite

Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
Again...do you not understand that any tax cuts that GW makes, will have ZERO effect on your paycheck? Your wallet is not going to get fatter with GW in office. You're only kidding yourself if you think it will.


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#53161 - 09/02/04 08:55 PM Re: OT: politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
He gave me a $600 check a couple years ago. When was the last time an elected official had that kind of impact on your daily life?

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#53162 - 09/02/04 08:55 PM Re: OT: politics
md55 Offline
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Registered: 05/20/03
Posts: 284
Loc: Nevada City, CA
I would also add that while researching the other day, I came accross the GOP website showing Kerry's votes on those weapons systems. I noticed the votes were grouped together on the the same few days. He was voting on larger appropriations bills in which those were included. And then with a little more research I learned that others were also calling for cuts in those weapons programs: President George F. Bush and Secratary of Defense Dick Cheney. Always good to fact check in the midst of a ferrocious political(propaganda) campaign. I don't take anything I hear at face value, in fact most of the time, whatever is repeated over and over in campaigns like this I find that more likely the opposite is true.
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#53163 - 09/02/04 09:13 PM Re: OT: politics
spiffnme Offline
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Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
I actually got a $300 check, and to be honest I think our country would have been better off if they'd kept the money. What serious effect is a $300 check in individual hands going to do for the economy?


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#53164 - 09/02/04 09:19 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
Spiff,

If I'm understanding what I find out there on the Internet and that site I posted, the name associated w/ Bush's tax reform was "Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act" (EGTRRA, 2001). Take a look at this table siting the Tax Burden Distribution Pre & Post Tax Reform. If I'm reading this right, I see a grand in my pocket that the blood-suckers can't spend on their special interest-driven pork projects. If you look at this table, you can see the distribution of the benefit of that tax reform. Looking at both of these, it sure as heck doesn't look to me like the only ones receiving the benefit is the uber-rich. But then again, to tell this story in the true light would be less effective as a Democrat scare tactic. God forbid a Republican did something that benefitted all involved. Perhaps you should be asking yourself why your party skews the data so dramatically to suit their purposes. Then again, they have been doing that for years. Trust me, I used to buy into it hook,line, and sinker before I decided to check the facts myself and discovered the deception.

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#53165 - 09/02/04 09:22 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
Spiff... When 125,000,000 people get $300... $37,500,000,000 gets spent. That is 37.5 BILLION dollars... By the way, I plugged in the average increase in weekly take home pay for our employees when the new tax laws went into effect... they averaged $27 per week MORE take home pay. Take out the entry level jobs, and the increase went to $41 per week...
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#53166 - 09/02/04 09:32 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
"I actually got a $300 check, and to be honest I think our country would have been better off if they'd kept the money. What serious effect is a $300 check in individual hands going to do for the economy?"

I think that I understand you a little better after reading this. You truly do believe that our government can better manage our money. You truly believe that our government has any shred of efficiency worth that level of trust. How many "Fleecing of America" and programs of the like do you need to see before you realize that they are completely inept at managing their affairs and your money. Whatever they actually appropriate to the local organizations is pillaged completely along the way until there is next to nothing for the cause for which the funds were destined. The only money that reaches it's destination is federal subsidies, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is nothing more than a handout from the government trough.....a pure example of redistribution of wealth. It makes want to puke thinking about the utter waste in government and it ticks me off to no end to know that people still live with blinders on and believe that the system works.

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#53167 - 09/02/04 09:36 PM Re: OT: politics
TurboDog1 Offline
devotee

Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 342
Craig....you just couldn't stay away. Good to have u back.

I have to agree, I wouldn't mind another $600 buck in my pocket right now. I would pay some bills off and probably spend the rest on daily expenses and some goodies for the kid.....oh, wait....Isn't that contributing to the economy.

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#53168 - 09/02/04 09:46 PM Re: OT: politics
craigsub Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
Turbo... Several VERY nice forum members extended an invitation to stay... with hosts like that, it would be rude to leave... Here is another interesting site...

www.det.state.ri.us/lmi/lausus/usadj.htm

It shows total labor pool, total jobs, and unemployment rate going back to 1978. The media keeps hammering on job losses... in january, 2001.... there were 137,790,000 jobs ... today, there are 139,660,000 jobs... that is an increase of 1,870,000 jobs in the 3.5 years... Considering all we have been through.....

The source, by the way, is the Bureau of Labor Statistics....


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