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#54169 - 04/15/05 12:08 PM Re: OT: politics
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Actually, I think we should utilize all the resources available. My brother in law and nephew both work in the oil fields in Alaska, and have brought pics of areas around the pipeline ... there sure are lots of Caribou playing there.

And the "Not in My Backyard" sentiment HAS to go ... Currently, our position is that we would rather have supertankers bring oil in from 4000 miles away than to have a pipeline move oil 100 miles.

Then there is the whole flexible fuel arena ... which gets bogged down because (in part), nationally, there are more than 400 different requirements for the final fuel "make up", in regards to local standards.

Getting fuel seems like the opposite of what we think about congress ... Most people love his or her district's congressman ... but HATE congress as a whole, and most people think we need to find other sources of energy (and no, solar power is not feasible ... by other sources, I mean oil, coal, or natural gas), until the drilling/exploration happens in his or her district.
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#54170 - 04/15/05 12:22 PM Re: OT: politics
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Loc: Los Angeles
I'd like to hear some comments on E85 Ethanol. What am I missing? Seems like a no-brainer to me. 85% Ethanol 15% Gasoline. Burns cleaner, 85% is ethanol...from corn, not oil, so it 1) is home grown, and 2) is renewable.

What are the drawbacks? A hyrid engine which ran on E85 sure would eliminate a HUGE amount of our country's oil consumption.

...and we've got corn coming out our ears.








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#54171 - 04/15/05 12:31 PM Re: OT: politics
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Spiff ... Ethanol is an excellent idea, and will require market forces to become more prevelant. You are quite correct, it is totally renewable, would lower costs of subsidies to farmers, and burns clean.

And PLEASE, NOBODY is allowed to lower his opinion of Spiff because I agreed with him ...

Ford has had a flexible fuel engine available for ten years now which will burn Propane, Ethanol, Gasoline, OR natural gas.

Noone seems to want it ... but eventually, it will become accepted, when WE decide we want it.

Ford also has a new Turbo-Diesel Hybrid ... 431 Lb-Feet of torque and 300 HP, yet it will get about 40 MPG highway in an SUV ... It is due in about 18 months.
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#54172 - 04/15/05 12:39 PM Re: OT: politics
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to inject a little levity, i've come to find I'm amazingly efficient when i'm fueled with Guinness and Maker's Mark, though i don't think i'd recommend it to the president as an energy policy!
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#54173 - 04/15/05 12:43 PM Re: OT: politics
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Loc: San Angelo, TX
In reply to:

Burns cleaner, 85% is ethanol...from corn, not oil



does this mean my car will smell like my grandfather after a large meal??

seriously, once again, if that is a viable alternative fuel option, then i say go for it, fund it, research it, and lets make it happen. but, i aint the one with the money. so, i am no help. yet, the govt might throw a few million into their research, but they are still spending BILLIONS on making sure we have plenty of the REAL black crude. so again i ask, where do you think the govt's focus is at?

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#54174 - 04/15/05 01:09 PM Re: OT: politics
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In reply to:

so again i ask, where do you think the govt's focus is at?


let's ask the top two guys in the executive branch, whose former jobs were in the oil industry...


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#54175 - 04/15/05 01:18 PM Re: OT: politics
bigjohn Offline
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Loc: San Angelo, TX
EXACTLY....

you have no idea how hard it is for me to be sooo proud to be from texas, but then have the biggest baffoon from our state somehow levitate to the most powerful position in the world. it just pains me...

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#54176 - 04/15/05 01:23 PM Re: OT: politics
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Yep, Dubya's Involvement in the oil industry, which ended in 1991 was ALL part of today's oil prices ... , and Cheney's selling his stock In Halliburton during the 2000 campaign is DEFINITELY a sure sign of collusion.
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#54177 - 04/15/05 02:14 PM Re: OT: politics
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Loc: Los Angeles
In reply to:

Yep, Dubya's Involvement in the oil industry, which ended in 1991 was ALL part of today's oil prices ... , and Cheney's selling his stock In Halliburton during the 2000 campaign is DEFINITELY a sure sign of collusion.



Perhaps not, but it certainly tells you where their hearts and minds are. To them oil is the only way to power America.


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#54178 - 04/15/05 02:18 PM Re: OT: politics
bigjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: San Angelo, TX
craig- while i can appreciate your humor, i think you might want to quit fooling yourself.

dubya, and ALL his buddies, ARE/WERE/and are STILL being made by oil. so, if you think dubya is going to do anything to screw that up, you are sadly mistaken. he is entrenched in what we like to call "the good ole' boy network".. and while he is there, he is gonna fatten every single one of his oil buddies pockets if he can.

so, i agree that we need to drill on our OWN land for oil. but, i also agree that we need to put more money and research into alternative fuels. and which one of those options do you honestly think he is gonna push..?

and, please dont doubt, dubya IS an idiot. he reminds me of every gooberhead, daddys boy i have ever met.

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