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#53439 - 09/13/04 02:44 PM Re: Holy crap
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Registered: 12/15/03
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PM - I am now reading Reuters on this ... The site you are refrring to is most definitely anti-US ... PLEASE people, no "Independent UK" ... or any other idealogue based "news organizations" ... Reuters is not exactly pro-US, and their take is quite different.

Personally, I will go on record that the Independent UK is NOT a credible source of news.

As for my "news report" .... it was tongue in cheek, as a look at how today's media WOULD have reported the Civil War... and it smacks of a lot of truth...
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#53440 - 09/13/04 02:51 PM Re: Holy crap
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Registered: 04/26/04
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I would agree. Independent UK is a sham news organization. Reuters is anti-Israel and anti-US. I question the story.

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#53441 - 09/13/04 02:55 PM Re: Holy crap
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Even Reuters quotes the Iraqi Government's reporting that it was 20 men killed... not women and children as the "UK Independent" said. And our Soldiers stated they were being fired on....
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#53442 - 09/13/04 03:00 PM Re: Holy crap
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Registered: 03/16/02
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PMB, the picture on the link you provided does not look to me to show children standing around a burning Bradley. In a battle, sensible civilians usually run away. What was the battle? Some group of folks in civilian dress had just blown up a US armored personel carrier. No tears shed for those fellas, PMB? So, the military blows up the Bradley so that it isn't looted for its weapons as so many others have been in the past, and folks got killed, including the journalist embedded with the folks who blew up the Bradley. Risk of war, I'd say.


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#53443 - 09/13/04 03:08 PM Re: Holy crap
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Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
wow...I'm away for a day or so and the whole "gay marriage" issue comes to a head. I'm going to respond to a bunch of things all at once. I hope it doesn't get too confusing...



Nearly every excuse I've heard against gay has been used before against interracial marriage. Here's a good article I found. Give it a read.

Are you not "forced" to pay for your straight employees spouces insurance now? Why not eliminate all your workers benefits right now? Or is having to pay for a gay man's partners insurance the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Basing your arguement against equal marriage benefits on not wanting to pay is pretty darn greedy. You're all for equal rights, so long as it doesn't cost you anything?

If God has a plan for us all...and has made each and every one of us...isn't it His doing that approx. 5% of the world's population is gay? Who are you to question it?

Populating the world is not an issue. You guys and gals do a great job of making babies. In fact...you do it too well! The world's population is growing out of control!

If having sex with the one you love is "wrong", then I don't want to be right.

Can I tell you how offensive "Who wants to marry a Millionaire" is? Or the loads of other "marriage" game shows are?

btw...it's good to see all the support for equality around here. We may differ on a lot of issues, but equality seems to be one that most of us can agree on.


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#53444 - 09/13/04 03:12 PM Re: Holy crap
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Spiff... Why don't you try reading what I actually WROTE, and get back to me...
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#53445 - 09/13/04 03:18 PM Re: Holy crap
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Registered: 04/02/03
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Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
What about the Telegraph, is it a sham, too?

Another take

Folks, what happened here is this: Military helicopters fired on a crowd of people congregating around a bombed out Bradley vehicle. The vehicle was bombed at least an hour before the Apache fired on the crowd. The pilots say they fired because they were fired upon by small arms. If this is the case, then they were justified under the rules of engagement to return fire. The video does not show any evidence of gunfire, however. The official military story is that they were firing to destroy the Bradley vehicle in order to keep people from looting it.

Yes, this occurred in a part of Baghdad known to house insurgents. Not EVERYONE who lives there is a rebel. Many of the people injured in the blast were passing by on their way about their business. Many of them waited until they thought it was safe. Imagine you are an Iraqi citizen living in that area, wanting nothing to do with the rebels. I'm sure the majority of people in Iraq are trying to be as inconspicuous as possible. And yet they still die needlessly.
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#53446 - 09/13/04 03:25 PM Re: Holy crap
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Registered: 12/15/03
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Yes, they are also a sham. The writing style reminds me of Journalism 101.... I am going with the Reuters story... They are NOT Pro-US ... and it is a balanced story.
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#53447 - 09/13/04 03:28 PM Re: Holy crap
Riffman Offline
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Registered: 04/26/04
Posts: 242
pmbuko, do you think the civilians were intentionally sought out and killed?

I actually read the Telegraph sometimes.

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#53448 - 09/13/04 03:37 PM Re: Holy crap
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Registered: 04/02/03
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No, but does it really matter? All this just proves that you cannot wage a "limited war." Any and all people living near the true targets -- by no fault of their own -- are at risk. If I, as an American citizen, feel the military is not trying hard enough to spare innocent lives, how do you think the average Iraqi feels?
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