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#77579 - 01/19/05 02:03 PM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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My wife is gonna love (and I mean love!) 12.1...

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#77580 - 01/19/05 03:45 PM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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I think I am going to upgrade to 28.4!

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#77581 - 01/19/05 05:09 PM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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too late.. joninflorida has already done that!!



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#77582 - 01/20/05 01:46 AM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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Registered: 12/21/03
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Loc: Nashville, TN
In reply to:

This is not always so in the real world with limited dollars to spend.


Actually with a fixed audio budget, HT HURTS Axiom, not helps them.

Why? Because HT receivers are more expensive than stereo. With a fixed budget the customer must spend more on the receiver, leaving less money for speakers. Axiom makes less.

If you exclude the receiver and say fixed budget for speakers only, then Axiom again makes the same or less money. If you spend $x on Axiom stereo speakers, Axiom gets ALL that. If you spend $x on HT, this exposes Axiom to 3rd party subwoofer purchases, not a factor for 2-ch stereo.

Even if they buy 100% Axiom for both stereo and HT speaker configs, with a fixed budget Axiom gets the SAME $, not less.

What about being pressured to upgrade to better speakers? Same pressure exists for both stereo and HT speakers.

Embracing HT helps Axiom only in that it's a major trend and otherwise the customer base wanting HT (which is a big %) would go elsewhere.

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#77583 - 01/20/05 09:05 AM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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joema, i made the assumption that if you've made the choice for home theater, you have made the choice for 5 speakers. its safe to say that I'm talking out of my ass here. i haven't analyzed the market, customer segments, etc.. so, in many respects, you are correct. But, in other respects, I think what I said can be true.

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#77584 - 01/20/05 02:41 PM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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Well whoever is first to get something more than 10.1 gets a double smiley from me....
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#77585 - 01/20/05 07:08 PM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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Riff-"I'm talking out of my ass here"
but if you were wearing monster brand underwear would it sound better?
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#77586 - 01/20/05 07:18 PM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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Well, I have no choice. I NEED monster underwear.

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#77587 - 01/20/05 09:23 PM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5448
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>Actually with a fixed audio budget, HT HURTS Axiom, not helps them. Why? Because HT receivers are more expensive than stereo. With a fixed budget the customer must spend more on the receiver, leaving less money for speakers. Axiom makes less. If you exclude the receiver and say fixed budget for speakers only, then Axiom again makes the same or less money. If you spend $x on Axiom stereo speakers, Axiom gets ALL that. If you spend $x on HT, this exposes Axiom to 3rd party subwoofer purchases, not a factor for 2-ch stereo.

Interesting point. Good speaker mfg's also tend to lose some business because buying 5 or 6 speakers means you have to spend less on each speaker and that pushes a lot of people into those cheap awful HTIB things. $500 buys you a nice pair of M22s but someone looking for a 5 speaker system for $500 isn't going to be buying from Axiom or any of their peers.

I sometimes wonder if Axiom should do someting vaguely Ventriloquist-like, leveraging a couple of good speakers with cheaper center and surrounds (or they could just leverage the center like Hsu does).

Hey, that might be enough to finally push Axiom over the edge and port the center channel speakers so we don't keep getting posts asking "so, like, where should I drill the hole to port my VP150 ? Through the crossover ?".


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#77588 - 01/20/05 09:25 PM Re: "Stereo's Intrinsic Flaw"
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5448
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>I noticed have changed their header from Axiom loudspeakers, to: Axiom home theaters

Hmmm. Maybe the 25th anniversary surprise is an Axiom receiver or a 5/7 channel integrated amp ?

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