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#78559 - 01/24/05 12:36 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
BlueStater Offline
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Registered: 12/20/04
Posts: 173
Loc: Portland, OR
Jimmy-

Yawn. Don't try to entice a hardcore (not to mention professional) computer geek into a flame war. We are immune to such infantile tactics. For what it's worth: I am not the only person either present at my showdown or around the audio community including respected professional critics that has been surprised by the musicality and subtleness of the SVS. What you may or may not have heard from the PB12 is your opinion and that is fine. But I'm keeping my EP350. Now that I have it dialed in, it's a great performer. I suppose I am now a "shill" for Axiom.
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#78560 - 01/24/05 01:07 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
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frequent flier

Registered: 01/24/05
Posts: 10
BlueStater - It's ok buddy, some of us know the truth when we see it.

Let me also point out that SVS does not consider Axiom subs to be a serious threat. The only real threat to their dominance is Hsu Research. Word on the street is that SVS is going to lose their SPL crown after Hsu Research's new product line rolls out, so the marketing wheels have already started churning for the company.

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#78561 - 01/24/05 01:21 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
bray Offline
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Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 1792
Loc: Colorado
How about you two guys just ignore each other on this subject, so we dont have to.
I'm not saying either of you are right or wrong, and I'm sure both of you have something positive to add to this forum, but let this one go.....PLEASE.
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#78562 - 01/24/05 01:46 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
biggsly5000 Offline
local

Registered: 11/30/04
Posts: 205
Loc: Atascocita, TX
The SVS PB+2 is astounding for home theater. But when listening to music that is not bass heavy I usually dont use it. You have to adjust the settings on it too much depending on the CD, it is almost always too much. As far as it being musical, I havent decided yet. I still need more listening time with it. Usually the M80s are enough for me, unless I just want to get stupid and show off.
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#78563 - 01/24/05 02:00 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
Capn_Pickard Offline
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Registered: 03/09/04
Posts: 1056
Loc: Arlington, VA (NOVA)
Jimmy1 - let's cut down on the accusatory and harsh language. When you make your introduction to these message boards with a post that, in nearly its first line, calls someone a "shill," we're off on the wrong foot.

Find another way to express yourself, please, without resorting to such name calling. The latin thinkers call what you have just done the "ad hominim fallacy" - that is attacking the person instead of his argument. I don't disagree about your points. We need to make sure that we have all of the information before we allow ourselves to be blindly led into a conclusion by someone with a particular agenda. But there's a better way to communicate this warning than to call someone a "shill."

Put a cap on that flame thrower for a bit, and try to be a little more constructive (as opposed to destructive). We can all spot a flamer from a mile away, and you're blazing red hot right now.

So, if you're really interested in having a constructive conversation, I don't think it would be too much to ask, as a sign of good faith, that you apologize to BlueStater and try to tone down your rhetoric.

Not a sermon, just a note of caution.

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#78564 - 01/24/05 02:15 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
BlueStater Offline
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Registered: 12/20/04
Posts: 173
Loc: Portland, OR
(This is me ignoring the bait)
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#78565 - 01/24/05 02:17 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
Ray3 Offline
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2844
Loc: Rochester, NY
Does anyone else notice a faint whiff of GD? An empty buffet usually means the diners go home.

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#78566 - 01/24/05 02:24 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
jimmy1 Offline
frequent flier

Registered: 01/24/05
Posts: 10
I have a case of the Monday's like Peter Gibbons from Office Space, and I can't find my red stapler either, so I'm sorry for being testy. I just hate to see any of these Axiom boards being used to market another company's products, and I finally snapped after months of reading.

Looking forward to some good country friend chicken buffet tonight.

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#78567 - 01/24/05 02:39 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
pmbuko Offline
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16296
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
jimmy1,

That's the spirit. I, for one, accept your excuse -- perhaps you need to wear more pieces of flair? -- and welcome you to the boards.

If there's one thing that most of us here are mindful of, it's the immense privilege of openness we enjoy from the moderators. Axiom's founder, himself, has mentioned that he's learned a few things from some of the posts on this board. In fact, Axiom's amazing new subs, the EP500 and EP600, were inspired by a post here. If we were not allowed to speak frankly about all of Axiom's products, this site would be nothing but a fawn-fest, and Axiom would miss out on a lot of constructive, if indirect, feedback.

Rest assured that true corporate shills do not last long here.
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#78568 - 01/24/05 02:52 PM Re: HSU VTF3 MK2 VS. EP350 Showdown!! Plus a supri
BlueStater Offline
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Registered: 12/20/04
Posts: 173
Loc: Portland, OR
Oh for the love of.... Jimmy, please please please read my previous posts and tell me if you see ANY evidence that I have EVER mentioned SV Subwoofers anywhere. No? Thought so. That being said, there is no reason for me to back down from the following truth:

In MY room with MY components and MY source material the SVS
outperformed the other two subwoofers. Being that it costs $400 to $500 more than the others after shipping, well, it just plain should. If I had ordered the EP500 would the results be different? I would guess so. I don't think this forum exists to simply exhalt Axiom products as the end all
be all of loudspeaker technology. As a matter of fact, my guess is that a large percentage of posters here use Axioms as PART of their speaker setup. Just because I picked the SVS doesn't mean I am anti-Axiom in any way. You put three
of anything together in a side-by-side comparison and pick one. Is it the one everyone else would pick, or is it the one you liked best?

This is my last response on this sub-topic.

Mark
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