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#88615 - 04/04/05 08:33 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 12/30/03
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
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Those so bent on proving measurements they deny reality, even when its right in front of them.


I am loathe to break this to you, stimpy, but measurements ARE reality. And when they are right in front of you, ignoring them is denial of reality. What's more, measurements don't need "proving." They ARE proof.


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#88616 - 04/04/05 09:41 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 521
Loc: PHX/Flagstaff, AZ
I don't appreciate you categorizing those of us who think CD players sound different with those that think amps sound different(although I won't rule out that they don't I just haven't heard it).

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#88617 - 04/04/05 10:02 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
Actually, Peter was throwing Stimpy's arguments back at him in reverse.

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#88618 - 04/04/05 10:28 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Warren, assuming that by "difference" you mean a favorable one, the answer is a flat no. In some cases a "higher-end" player may be intentionally designed so that its analog(rather than digital)output contains a small frequency irregularity which is barely noticeable and which of course is actually a sonic inaccuracy, but can mislead some into considering it to be better. As to common CD or CD/DVD players of even low cost however, they reproduce what's on the CD with audibly flawless precision. This has been shown in properly controlled blind listening tests. It's especially important that the output levels of the players(which commonly vary to some degree)be calibrated to within 0.1dB to avoid the false conclusion that the slightly louder one is better.
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#88619 - 04/07/05 12:47 AM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 10/14/04
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Loc: T. Bay , ON
Thanks John and everyone else..... ask a stupid question and get a bunch of educated, informative answers!

Again, this IS a great board!!
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#88620 - 04/07/05 01:00 AM Re: Dumb question about cd players
nitram Offline
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Registered: 04/09/03
Posts: 57
Loc: Santa Rosa, California
Well, I'm an honest-to-goodness research scientist (PhD electrical engineer), but what I know has nothing to do with audio.

However, I'm 100% certain that if you have a $200 receiver, $200 speakers and a $100 CD player, if you have $500 to spend, you won't get the best bang for the buck by upgrading your CD player.

(Obviously, the first thing to upgrade is the cables.)

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#88621 - 04/07/05 02:33 AM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 01/19/04
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Loc: PHX/Flagstaff, AZ
I don't think you'll receive any arguments there.

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#88622 - 04/07/05 11:58 AM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
I would love to be part of a blind listening panel and hear some $29, $100, $500, and $1500 players.


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#88623 - 04/07/05 12:06 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 01/19/04
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So would I, only you gotta include 12-15 yr old Sony players as well.

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#88624 - 04/11/05 06:05 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 09/25/02
Posts: 1488
Loc: Maine
Will you notice a difference on a high end player? Probbably yes. Will you hear a difference on EVERY high end player? probbably no.

I think most of the people that say no "its all just 0's and 1's" dont really have any idea about what goes on inside the player besides that they say its digital so its all the same. whatever.
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