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#90965 - 04/17/05 11:38 AM SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
winterpeg Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
Looking for personal opinions on the:

SVS PB-12 Plus (500 watt 12")$1450 Cdn [delivered]
EP 500 (500 watt 12")$1430 Cdn "OR" $1285 fm factory [dlvd]
SVS 20-39 PC Plus (525 watt 12" tube)$1150 Cdn [delivered]

I know the EP 500 hasn't been out that long compared to the SVS subs. Reviews are sparse, so if anyone has opinions or actually heard or compared these I'd like to hear about. I did read a comparison between the EP350 and the SVS 16-46 PCI.

I am putting this sub in my HT system (M80, VP150, QS8's for side & rear). The room is about 4000 cu/ft.

http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pb12_plus.htm
http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pcplus_20-39.htm
http://www.axiomaudio.com/en-ca/epicenter500.html

Thanks for your opinions,
Troy
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#90966 - 04/17/05 11:54 AM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5448
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Oh that's a tough one. First, remember that you have to add brokerage fees to the SVS models, something like $75 CDN. Taxes apply equally to all.

I have not seen a single comparison yet so there's not much to go on except "analysis" which is always dangerous.

- cylinders are always cheaper to build so the PC+ is always going to be slightly better "bass for the buck" than the nice box subs like EP500 and PB-12+

- power is about the same between them all... cabinet size is bigger on the PC+ and there is no EQ so best guess is that the PC+ will do a slightly better job of filling a really large area than the EP500

- SVS bass response droops as you get below 30 Hz (not much but you see it in the SVS plots); EP500 is ruler flat. Two schools of thought on this -- pro-SVS is that room gain will correct for the droop in response giving you essentially flat system response, pro-EP500 is that ear sensitivity drops in the deep bass so what you want is flat anechoic response then room gain steps in to give you flatter perceived response

- EP500 has the DSP built in so there is the potential for all kinds of cool things in the future via firmware upgrade (but no mention or commitment from Axiom for any of that)

I would give Axiom a call and talk to them about sub vs. room size etc...; 4000 ft3 is fairly big.

Just guessing, but I think you will find EP500 vs. SVS Px+ to be a much closer competition than was the EP350 vs. 16-46 PCI (that seems like an odd match, doesn't it, I would think the 25-31 would be a much more relevent comparison).

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#90967 - 04/17/05 12:54 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
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Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
This bad boy shouldn't be overlooked if you're in the subwoofer market.


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#90968 - 04/17/05 02:08 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
Yes, I would agree with the comparison between the 350 and the 16-46 as 2 different styles of sound. The 350 is probably a lot more accurate and tight verses the less accurate but boomy tall version of the SVS.

That is one of the reasons I was comparing to the mid size tower of the 20-39 Plus. It may be the middle ground between the 500 and the 16-46 PC Plus(using the 350 review comparison between the others)It would be a bit tighter but still with some of the lighter side of the boom.

About room size, SVS also mentioned moving up to the PB12-2(2 x 12" plus drivers). That would be comparable to the EP600 in price, not sure about the sound. I replied to this suggestion that we were nearing $2000 cdn. That is more then I am willing to spend. The tech spec from SVS suggested checking out PSB and Paradigm up in Canada.

On one other comparison, Axium has a great warranty on the rest of their speakers, but 1 year on the subs. SVS has a 3 year. Chances are most problems should occur soon after purchase but, who's to say. I like the fact a product is backed up confidently with a better warranty. I don't think this says it is better in all cases though, just because it has a longer warranty period

I am price wise going to have to live with a sub it seems may not be enough for my rec room. I initially thought 500 watts and a 12" driver was going to be enough. I listen to everything music wise and really enjoy movies, biggest reason for the surround purchase.

thanks for your thoughts,

Troy
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#90969 - 04/17/05 02:15 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
winterpeg Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
As far as the HSU. I like it. When comparing to 350 watt subs like the EP350 and the SVS PCI subs it stands up well. I guess it is my room size that is forcing me to go bigger, within my $$ limits. I have thought about 2 of these in the room but that really puts the price again beyond my limit.

Too many good choices out there!
Not a bad place to be I guess,
troy
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#90970 - 04/17/05 03:14 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
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Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1501
Loc: Manhattan Beach, CA
When looking at wattage, the only way to compare is if all things within the sub are equal....different configurations, electronics, and drivers have different efficiencies.

That said, if all things are equal, to get a 3dB increase in SPL, you have to effectively double wattage.

On top of all that, at normal listening levels, you can not assume that the subs sound the same.

At 4000cu. ft., all the subs mentioned should be able to handle the room. Also remember, Hsu has a Canadian distributor.

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#90971 - 04/17/05 05:02 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5448
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Have you talked to Axiom yet ? Wouldn't hurt to give them a call.

Just to be clear, ANY of the subs you mentioned will be more than enough for very dramatic HT performance... you just might find that when everyone is out and you are cranking up the volume as high as you want, there might be a few seconds in a few movies where you need to back off just a few dB so the sub doesn't groan.

It just occurred to me that the EP500 has some DSP smarts to adaptively back off when you are about to overload driver or amp, so you might actually find that you can get as much or more effective volume out of the EP500 as the SV. Not sure...

For a reference point, my PSB 6i (12", 200W, relatively small cabinet) is running happily in my brother in law's 8000 ft3 basement (not counting the rooms it opens in to) and it has FAR more power than they need.

Any of the subs you mentioned would be fantastic -- your question was "which would be best" and that's a tough one to answer.

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#90972 - 04/17/05 05:19 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
HSU's Canadian affiliate. Who would that be? I know bash amps are used in different sub companies.
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#90973 - 04/17/05 05:25 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
winterpeg Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
Yes, I did talk to Axium and they suggested the EP 500 for this size of room, Actually the 350, 500 and 600 would work, but different peolpe listen at different levels. Saying that they all can be used in this room size. I figure bigger can't hurt you as long as you can afford it. The 600 would probably be best, but the 500 is more in my price range. Possibly placing it closer to the seating area may help.

I am sure that you could find differences in each sub, each with it's own advantage and disadvantages.

decisions, decisions!!

Thanks again,
Troy
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M80 VP150 4-QS8 EP600 Monitor Audio S8 NAD T 773 Anthem MCA3 II Hitachi 57" projection

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#90974 - 04/17/05 06:29 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
curtis Offline
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Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1501
Loc: Manhattan Beach, CA
Here is a thread with information on Hsu in Canada:
http://hsuresearch.com/forum/showthread.php?t=964&highlight=distributor

A call to Hsu will probably get you more info.

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