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#90975 - 04/18/05 02:29 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
PaulM Offline
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Registered: 03/12/05
Posts: 278
Loc: St. Albert, Alberta
If you've got a large room and you like tight bass and SPL's then how about putting two 10"er's in the room? Put one by the couch for the rumble effect. The SVS sight when talking about doubling up on subs estimates a 6db increase (seems a little optomistic to me, but I'm no expert). To keep to a reasonable budget you could go with two HSU STF-2's at $550 cdn a piece HSU Canada . I seem to recall from a previous thread BrenR mentioned there is a dealer in Winnipeg. If not, you can contact the HSU cdn distributor and ask for the nearest dealer. If nothing is close they may make you the same offer they made me when I was looking for a sub. They were very nice and said they'd ship it to me (Edmonton) for an extra $10.

You mentioned you were more comfortable with a manufacturer that has a long warrantee. I don;t think you'll do much better than HSU, the website states "Warranty: 7 years on the woofer, 2 years on the electronics, parts and labor included".

Happy research and shopping - Paul

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#90976 - 04/18/05 04:47 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
bigwill2 Offline
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Registered: 03/25/05
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EEK! Not to interrupt the HSU sales pitch, but I heard the SVS 20-39 (not the PC+) and it was anything but boomy.
Since you're in Canada and will get hit by those import duties with the SVS and HSU (what happened to NAFTA?) it seems like the Axiom EP500 is a no-brainer. I've never heard it but it sure seems like a fine piece of equipment.
That's my $.02.

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#90977 - 04/18/05 05:25 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
curtis Offline
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Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1501
Loc: Manhattan Beach, CA
Who said the SVS was boomy?

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#90978 - 04/18/05 05:32 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
chesseroo Online   crying
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4849
Loc: western canada
Just to clear up one or two things:
First, i think Troy may be referring to the review i posted on the EP350 and SVS PCi back here for the comparison b/w the two subs.
I agree that a PCi 20-39 would have been a better matchup against the EP350, but that was noted in the review. Unfortunately the SVS owner did not want a lesser model and hence the 16-49 was all i had to audition.
I do wish he had at least bought the Plus version though. I hear the driver is much better than the pulp cone of the lesser models.

Second, there are no duties on these speakers coming to Canada, only taxes and shipping. Since taxes come from Axiom as well, the only difference in speaker price comes from shipping. There can be a brokerage fee but it is usually rather insignificant (we are talking about units over 1k already so another thirty or forty bucks is irrelevant) depending on the shipping company. NAFTA is in effect for loudspeakers and i'm sure the folks at Axiom are happy with such arrangements. Keeps the prices even lower for the Americans buying Axiom.

Third, wattage is a hard thing to put into perspective. Although the idea of doubling wattage might add x dB of sound applies, it also depends on the build quality of the amp section. I've opened the amp section of the EP350 before and its not particularly stunning. I had a larger amp section in a 10 yr old Technics bookshelf system rated at a whopping 30w/ch over 2 channels. The EP350 amp does the job, but compared to the beefier components in the newer EP500/600 amp sections, it is rather weak. The flat curve idea is also researched by the likes of SVS and hence toting the new EP series as 'better' in this regard is debateable at this point.
Room will still be the final factor on observed frequency response.
All of these subs are still excellent choices and each will do a very good job, of that i have no doubt.

Lastly, there is a Hsu dealer in the Peg now. I believe Bren bought his at American Hifi.



Edited by chesseroo (04/18/05 05:35 PM)
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#90979 - 04/18/05 07:42 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5446
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Chess, I clicked on the link you posted but the curves it showed (for 20-39 and 16-46) DID have that gentle rolloff between 30 and 40 hz that I mentioned. The EP500 is very flat in the same region, ie is effectively 3-4 dB higher at the 20-25 Hz range.

Is that "better" ? Well, that's where the debate comes in. On balance I would argue that the EP500 response is more likely to be the most pleasing, but there are real good arguments for both sides..

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#90980 - 04/18/05 08:35 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
curtis Offline
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Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1501
Loc: Manhattan Beach, CA
both companies use EQing in different forms to get their desired anechoic curves.

It would be nice to know what EQing was done to get the curves, because you usually can not do any EQing without giving something up.

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#90981 - 04/18/05 09:26 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5446
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Good point... you don't need a DSP to EQ, do you.

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#90982 - 04/18/05 10:51 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
winterpeg Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
Now this is why I post my questions here. You guys provide insightful responses I can build from. Someday I might figure this stuff out!

Now where are all those EP500 owners. Looking to hear from your personal in home experience.

Thanks again for your posts,
Troy
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#90983 - 04/19/05 11:12 AM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
chesseroo Online   crying
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4849
Loc: western canada
In reply to:

The EP500 is very flat in the same region, ie is effectively 3-4 dB higher at the 20-25 Hz range.



Actually the EP500 b/w 22-35Hz also varies by about 3dB. The EP600 varies by even more.
However the nose dive of the curve does not start until beyond 15Hz for the PCUltra 16 while the sharp dive begins at about 18Hz and 20Hz for the EP600 and 500 respectively.
Whether a consumer will notice these slight differences, i'm not sure, but the change in volume is at a level humans can perceive. With the notes being so low on the frequency scale, it is hard to say whether it would be picked out consistently.

All these subs are excellent in their performance. Price and aesthetics are primary remaining factors in my opinion. Personally i think both these options are overkill for music unless one enjoys that dance club beat or runs the units at about 10% gain.

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#90984 - 04/19/05 10:38 PM Re: SVS Sub comparisons to EP500
NeverHappy Offline
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Registered: 12/12/03
Posts: 1424
Loc: Western Canada
I remember a thread like this a long time ago that got me in all sorts of trouble so I will stay out of this one...........as I'm already on the verge reading parts of this thread.

With that being said, I will throw out two things. First, SVS subs are not boomy! I have heard a ton of SVS subs in different shapes and sizes and they are not boomy. For that matter neither is HSU.................Ok I'm done now.

SVS and HSU are a great bang for the buck! All the glowing reviews across the net from not only owners but third party reviewers can't all be wrong.



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