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#93319 - 05/05/05 10:14 AM
Would I, Could I, Should I ... upgrade?
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connoisseur
Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
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My 60s, 150, 8s, 500 are 2 weeks old and I love them.
Gave my sub a workout last night with "Titan AE" just the hear the bass not for the movie.
This is my leap from Bose to real life. And WAF may keep me at this level. But before I finish my 30 days I thought I would ask about 60 vs 80.
I am a low to mid volume listener. 3240 Cu ft room. 60s are 10 ft from listener and 12 ft apart (placement by WAF). If $ is not a factor, would a step up to 80s be worth any difference in sound quality. Should I send back the 8s and use the 60's as surrounds? 98% HT, 2 % music.
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#93320 - 05/05/05 10:26 AM
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axiomite
Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6134
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
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Just my opinion, but I don't think you'd gain that much, at those listening distances and volumes, by going from the 60s to the 80s as mains. AND, I think you'd lose something by going to the 60s as rears for HT, and returning the QS8s.
Now if you wanted to go to a 7.1 config, and listen to a lot of SACDs and DVD-As, with 80s as fronts, QS8s as side surrounds, and 60s as rear surrounds..............
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#93321 - 05/05/05 10:33 AM
Re: Would I, Could I, Should I ... upgrade?
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connoisseur
Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
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i would have to agree with jack here.
i dont think the 80's would be any help, especially if you are a "low to mid volume listener". the sound on the 60's and 80's are supposed to be very similar, with the 80's just having the ability to go louder. if you are not going to go louder, then i dont see the need for them.
bigjohn
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#93322 - 05/05/05 10:41 AM
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axiomite
Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6134
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
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The 80s can also go a bit lower in frequency response. But, if you're crossing over to a sub and primarily watching movies, that will be no advantage either.
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#93323 - 05/05/05 10:50 AM
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 10189
Loc: 543 miles North of VAST
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I agree with both of them.
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#93324 - 05/05/05 11:06 AM
Re: Would I, Could I, Should I ... upgrade?
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connoisseur
Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
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Enough said. I'll be content. I'll put the boxes in storage.
Thanks for replies.
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#93325 - 05/05/05 12:50 PM
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Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13147
Loc: Iowa
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I agree with all of the above. In regards to the boxes, make sure you save space by putting the smaller one's inside of the bigger ones.
Randy
m60s vp150 ep350 4-Qs8's
denon 2805
sanyo z2 projector
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samsung HD receiver
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#93327 - 05/05/05 02:37 PM
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shareholder in the making
Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17375
Loc: NoVA
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Man, I wish I could rationalize/afford the high gloss finish. Anyone have it? I bet the walnut's gorgeous.
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#93328 - 05/05/05 03:00 PM
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shareholder in the making
Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 15984
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
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I would not, could not -- married I am -- upgrade my speakers; she'd lock the house!
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#93329 - 05/05/05 03:04 PM
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connoisseur
Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3600
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
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In reply to:
Man, I wish I could rationalize/afford the high gloss finish. Anyone have it? I bet the walnut's gorgeous.
Walnut? The HG finishes come in White, Birdseye Maple, Sand Ripple (which is beautiful!!), Light Cherry (also very nice!), Dark Cherry, Blue Ripple, Rosewood and Black.
Bren R.
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#93330 - 05/05/05 03:16 PM
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shareholder in the making
Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17375
Loc: NoVA
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I could have sworn there was a walnut at one point. It was a dark grey swatch....
Fine then, dark cherry. I refuse to think about rosewood, because that's what every other speaker manufacturer is doing.
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#93333 - 05/06/05 08:33 AM
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connoisseur
Registered: 04/30/05
Posts: 1155
Loc: Alabama
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Bitten:
Before you finalize your decision, I think that you should ask yourself a non-technical question or two. Do you really want the top of the line, flagship, M80 speakers? How likely are you to ask yourself, months down the line, why didn't you get the M80s when you had a chance?
You may not hear a note of difference between the ones that you currently have and the M80s, but you may appreciate the difference just knowing that you have the "best."
I'm not advocating "snob" appeal or product status, but how many times have we made decisions based largely on price or utility, and then regretted the decision later because we really wanted the better unit?
Just one man's opinion and something to think about.
The Rat.
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#93334 - 05/06/05 08:57 AM
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axiomite
Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5256
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
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For that room, that system, and that mix of movie/HT, I don't think you're going to get a lot of benefit from any upgrade. If you were going to upgrade anything and actually notice a difference going from EP500 to EP600 would probably make the most difference but (a) the difference would be quite small, (b) WAF on an EP600 is probably not high, (c) you can bank WAF for the future by spending the upgrade $$ on something your wife would really like...
If you are still looking for excuses to upgrade, the best line of reasoning I have found is the "We're probably going to move into a larger house in the future" ploy.
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#93335 - 05/06/05 12:37 PM
Re: Would I, Could I, Should I ... upgrade?
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connoisseur
Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 3735
Loc: Up yonder
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I haven’t heard the 60’s, so I don’t know for certain if they sound like the 80’s or not. But from what Axiom told me when I was looking to buy, they sound the same, but the 80’s will play louder. They may reach down a little further, but who cares? You have a sub for that.
I’m a single guy with a big house. I throw lots of parties, raise hell, piss off the neighbors that don’t join the festivities, jump snowmachines and dirt bikes in the back yard, have football games in the street, and all this is done with music playing. I have not ever, not once cranked these suckers up to maximum volume. Not even when all the doors and windows are open and we’re outside acting like juvenile delinquents. I don’t know how loud they’ll play…..There’s no way in hell that you or any other sane person could play the 80’s in a home environment at their full capacity. So that being said, I wouldn’t waste your money. Take that extra cash and buy your honey something nice and unexpected. Hell, buy her a day of pampering at a day spa. You’ll get much more enjoyment out of that gift than upgrading your speakers. Guaranteed…….
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#93336 - 05/06/05 01:33 PM
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connoisseur
Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
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nice post drew!! well said
bigjohn
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#93338 - 05/06/05 02:58 PM
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connoisseur
Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 3016
Loc: San Angelo, TX
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In reply to:
can we come over to your place to play
right on!!
i think we would need a dog-sled team, and several pairs of thermal underwear to make it up there..
i got some steel toe, water proof red-wings, but they arent real comfortable for playing football in..
bigjohn
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#93340 - 05/09/05 11:33 PM
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connoisseur
Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
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Thanks for the replies, but after listening to another night of HT, the boxes are ready for storage tomorrow. Even hung the 8's and hid some of the wiring. Besides, they tell me the plasma will go dark in another 40,000 hours. Better start saving again.
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#93341 - 05/09/05 11:42 PM
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connoisseur
Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 3735
Loc: Up yonder
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No kiddin? Anything significant? I was planning to buy the 60's for my HT room. them and four 8's. Not sure which sub or center yet.
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#93342 - 05/19/05 02:22 PM
Re: Would I, Could I, Should I ... upgrade?
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connoisseur
Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
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Would I, Could I, Should I ?
Yes......Yes......Yes.......
80's will be here Tuesday.
Axiom is sending prepaid labels for my 60's. They will come in the boxes with my 80's. They don't want me to be without speakers, so the 80's arrive and then the 60's go back. What an outfit!
I'm not knocking the 60's. In fact, I love them and will recommend them. But my opportunity is now to upgrade...
And I have!
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