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#96968 - 05/31/05 10:55 PM Re: WOW factor
ratpack Offline
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Registered: 04/30/05
Posts: 1155
Loc: Alabama
Is there some reason that you didn't consider the epic 80 500 package?
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#96969 - 05/31/05 11:27 PM Re: WOW factor
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Registered: 05/19/05
Posts: 225
Loc: Ironton, Ohio
I figure spending 2700 bucks is plenty and a little of a stretch as it is. That is about what I will make working this summer. I am a teacher so I work in the summer for extra cash. I figure since I am single I'll get my toys now cause if I was actually spending my money decorating my house it would change anyway later when she shows up, so why waste my money on stuff that will eventually end up in the garage sale. : )

Also my reciever is a yamaha 5240 I think and I know it could handle the 4ohm load, but I figured why make it run hotter and is there really that much of a difference between the 60 and 80's? It was either 80 350 or the 60 500. I really wanted a good sub that could really move the air at low decible levels. I want to feel the base without having to have the neighbors screaming at me. Are my arguements valid or am I just a newbie nut?

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#96970 - 05/31/05 11:33 PM Re: WOW factor
BrenR Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
In reply to:

I really wanted a good sub that could really move the air at low decible levels.


Unfortunately those are tied together... it will have to play loud to kick you in the chest. Short of adding a fan, you can't move air with a sub without the accompanying increase in loudness. Your neighbours will hate you. Buy flowers for them all now.

Bren R.

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#96971 - 05/31/05 11:43 PM Re: WOW factor
jhunt17 Offline
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Registered: 05/19/05
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Loc: Ironton, Ohio
So the ability of the sub to create lower frequency large waves does not create this? OK somebody explain the dynamics of this to me. I want to understand how this works and not have any missconceptions about it. I thought it was the creation of these large waves that made you feel it. I knew that if you turned up the intensity to earpopping levels you can create that with regular speakers, but I thought the subs ability to go lower than the audible human hearing was the key to creating this effect. I guess I have a serious misconception. What am I goofing up?

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#96972 - 05/31/05 11:52 PM Re: WOW factor
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Actually I think you got it about right (also a teacher here, by the way). In fact, because the EP500 uses some fancy electronic gizmos to flatten the subs response, you should expect excellent deep response regardless of the volume level.
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#96973 - 06/01/05 12:20 AM Re: WOW factor
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Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
You might try the factory oulet to save an extra 10%. Might get those 880s.

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#96974 - 06/01/05 12:52 AM Re: WOW factor
BrenR Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
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OK somebody explain the dynamics of this to me. I want to understand how this works and not have any missconceptions about it.


No prob. Curtis will probably chime in on this as well.

In reply to:

I thought it was the creation of these large waves that made you feel it.


That much is correct.

In reply to:

I knew that if you turned up the intensity to earpopping levels you can create that with regular speakers, but I thought the subs ability to go lower than the audible human hearing was the key to creating this effect.


You can move a certain amount of air with a driver of a certain size with a certain excursion. Subwoofer drivers are generally bigger, so they're capable of moving more air. So you have more potential air movement with a big 10"/12" driver than with a smaller driver.

The sub in subwoofer means "lower" of course. Lower than the frequency of a regular woofer, not sub-sonic (though some subs do tread into that range on their roll-off, depending on your hearing) so you're still making lots of "loud" along with your "kick to the chest"... and since bass travels a lot farther than treble, more of it will reach your neighbour's ears. (To test this - calibrate your system, set your system up with the sub on and play some music, and go to a different floor of the house... you'll only hear the lower frequencies) So getting a sub won't allow you to get that "kick in the chest" feeling without peeing off the neighbours, which was the thrust behind your message, correct?

God help me, but you might want to look into a "Tactile Transducer" for this. It's pretty much a speaker voice coil that moves a weight instead of a cone, you put it under your listening position and it gives you that physical feedback without making sound.

I feel dirty now, I must go wash.

Bren R.

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#96975 - 06/01/05 12:59 AM Re: WOW factor
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4825
Loc: western canada
If i remember correctly Bren, i have a friend of a friend here in town who owns some extremely rare 30" drivers which he has housed in some home built concrete cabinets.
I'm hoping to get a picture at some point.
Apparently with only a 5 watt monoblock driving each (or something to that effect), just turning on the amps creates a wave of sound energy so low that the hairs on your arm stand up.

It has been awhile since we chatted about this system of his so i will try to get more information and details for the curious.
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#96976 - 06/01/05 02:21 AM Re: WOW factor
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Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 325
Loc: Utah
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If you get all this stuff, it will never be in a garage sale. You may die single before parting with a quality HT system.






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#96977 - 06/01/05 09:05 AM Re: WOW factor
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5374
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>I really wanted a good sub that could really move the air at low decible levels.

If you mean "hearing the deep bass clearly without having to turn the volume way up and blast all the other frequencies" then spending extra on a really good sub (like the 500) is money well spent.

When I upgraded my sub (I went from a PSB 6i to a big SVS; decision made before the EP500 came out) the most obvious thing I noticed was that the balance between mid-bass and deep bass seemed more natural, ie I could get deep bass even at "normal" volume levels.

You are still going to have to crank up the volume closer to movie theater levels in order to get that "I think my chest is collapsing" sensation but the system will certainly be able to handle it.

How big is your room, by the way ?

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