Excellent descriptions as always, bigjohn.

Those are both very highly hopped beers. I suspect it is not only the quantity but also the variety of hops that you don't care for. Cascade / Chinook / Columbus varieties impart a particularly grapefruity or citrusy flavor that some people just don't love.

As for the Rogue, I love it. You should have tried it as an accompaniment to some nice vanilla ice cream.

For my own part, I had a Unibroue Edition 2004 on Sunday. I will tell you in all seriousness that it completely saved my weekend. Expensive and worth every penny.
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