No need to implicate Ascend or Bill in this, but as I see it, this thread was doing just fine petering out on its own. I actually think Audioholics was awfully quick with closing its own thread. Gene can say he's sorry, but for this reader -- that would be too little, too late. I would still like to keep reading the site, some of the discussions can be enlightening, and I feel no need to argue the point, but any of Audioholics's "reviews" or anything Gene says, I'll let it be.