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#10358 04/25/03 05:58 AM
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I'm going to test a pair of M1ti's. Using the Energy Take 5 set now. I want the same HUGE soundstage but with better upper bass response. Take 5's vocals are thin too. Any deep male voice (Hoootie + Blowfish, Mel Gibson, James Earl Jones,etc) sounds weak from the tiny 3.5" driver. Need small bookshelves though. Nothing above say 10"H x 7"W.
What was your previous speaker, what speaker did you upgrade to, and why?

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#10359 04/25/03 03:02 PM
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Push your size limits a bit and pick up the M3.
At barely 14x9 you will notice a huge difference but still have a very compact speaker.

As for the ti vs se labeling, i believe Alan mentioned, not too long ago, that the renaming was due to a small design change in the speaker line but this was nothing major if i remember correctly.


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#10360 04/25/03 04:57 PM
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Hi,

Yes, we've dropped the "SE" designation. It was a change in the edge molding of the enclosures--no acoustical effect at all.

And try the M2i's. An amazing speaker for the money with more midrange detail and clarity on vocals than the M3.

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#10361 04/25/03 07:16 PM
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i used to have paradigm titans with a cc-170 for my home theater. i switched them for 3 m2is and the difference is incredible! paradigm definately cant touch the bang for the buck of these speakers. i am sure i wont be upgrading these for a very long time.

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#10362 04/26/03 12:16 AM
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Will the 2's still sound right with the 1's as surrounds? Different Tweeter.

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#10363 04/26/03 08:17 AM
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I'm still waiting for the 1's to arrive. If they are what I'm looking for I'll give the 2's a try up front and move the 1's to the rear. I listen to 70% two channel music and 30% movies. I might try the HSU VTF2. I like the sound of sealed subs but can't find any to my liking or price range. Loved the M&K 700 - Twin 8" 200 $1300! Yikes. Or finish my 15" sealed project. Have small enclosure and 250 watt sub amp, but no driver.

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#10364 04/29/03 11:38 AM
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An Adire Tempest should work well in your sealed enclosure with the 250w amp.

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#10365 04/30/03 05:35 AM
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Frank - Where? Thanks?

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SJ, you can read the specs and other info at adireaudio.com.


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#10367 04/30/03 11:09 AM
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more specifically, Adire Tempest . I'm using the Adire Shiva which is 12 inch. Depending on your enclosure volume and if you've cut the driver cutout you could decide between the two. Check out Adire's sealed application guides.

Frank

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#10368 05/01/03 03:24 AM
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Gonna give the Dayton Quattro 15" a shot. Should be here tomorrow. I'm house-sitting for a friend and the M1tiSE's arrived. I unplugged his JBL's and hooked up my speakers to his receiver. WOW! Exactly what I was looking for. More upper bass, stronger vocals, and big imaging/soundstage. Old early 90's JVC Receiver. Hopefully they will sound even better on my Kenwood. But it got me thinking maybe the M2 would be easier to blend and have less trouble keeping up with VFT-2 or my Homemade 15" ???????

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#10369 05/01/03 03:51 AM
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Also for $20.00 more, would the 3's be a better match for a powerful sub? Crossover is fixed at receiver at 80hz or with my Yamaha at 90hz. I quietly listen to Sade and Natalie Merchant to fall asleep, Crank Pink Floyd once a week, and watch a few movies in DD and DTS now and again. Using Take-5 with Homemade Velodyne-Box/Infinity Kappa Perfect driver. Want more SPL for bedroom without giving up quality and move Take-5 to office.

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#10370 05/02/03 02:19 PM
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Hi,

No, the M3's have a somewhat muted midrange and lack of detail compared to the M2's. If you want to "crank" Pink Floyd and retain the same level of midrange detail and clarity as the M2's, move up to the M22ti's. Great dynamic capability (two woofer/midrange drivers) and lovely soundstage.

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#10371 05/02/03 06:43 PM
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Sounds like Axiom is thinking about upgrading the M3's for improved midrange?!? That would be great!


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#10372 05/08/03 04:54 AM
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Had Polk Monitor 10B (classic huge box) since I was married 17 years ago. Finally getting a home theater system and went with B&W 602 speakers and a Svs sub. Want to get QS4 or QS8 for the 3 rears.

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#10373 05/12/03 01:54 PM
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Well I purchased a set of M2's this morning. The M1ti's will go to back surround. In 2 weeks I'm gonna get the VP100 center. Then, in another 2 weeks I'll sell the M1ti's on eBay. But where do I go from there?
(A) Keep price down and buy another set of M2's for the surround channel.
(B) Upgrade the fronts to M22's and move the M2's to the rear. (What would I gain? A little more sensitivity and dynamics?)
(C) Buy a set of QS8's. I have small shelves on the back wall displaying some old vhs box sets. My surrounds sit on these shelves. The QS8's would have to be mounted on the side wall about 6 inches forward of the listener 7 feet up. Is it worth it to pay that $500 (+$215 over M2's) for these surrounds and run new wires etc? Want to get away from the hybrid tweeter so I don't know about the 4's. Thanks in advance.


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#10374 05/12/03 09:14 PM
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I agree with Allan 100%. The M22 has greater detail than the M3.

There is one thing to note that everyone has different tastes. I had the M22 for 5 months. The detail was great but it did not work for me. For my room I could only listen to them for about 1.5 hours or 2 at mid-loud levels (approx 70+db) and then I get listener fatigue and I get a headache. I traded them for M3. Now I can go more than that. I havent hit that fatique levels yet but I have yet passed 2.5 hours of mid-loud levels but so far so good. I like the M3 more than I did the M22. The M22 seemed a little forward and harsh at times. The M3 sounds exceptionally well specially if you crossover anywhere in the 80-100-120Hz to a good sub. For my ears it is much more suitable. For others, the M22 maybe better.
Another note is that it was much harder to dial in a sweet spot for the M22. The M3 was much easier. The M22 needs to be far away from anything (walls, TVs, bookshelves) to get its max ability. Once dialed in, its detail and soundstage shine like the 4th of July (yes I know I'm Canadian and do not know what that really means. If I said Victoria Day would that really help?)


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ps: when, oh when, will that little boat come?(loaded with my PMC TB2).

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#10375 05/13/03 03:08 AM
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i think the m22 is 1 db more sensitive than the m2i. thats the difference my spl meter measures anyway.

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#10376 05/15/03 05:26 AM
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The M2's arrived and ick...... So far NO good. There's more body in the vocals for the M2's. But I dont get the same imaging. Close my eyes and point to where the voice is coming from. M1ti's are center. The M2's left side. About equal in bass. But the highs are really "shrilly". I don't know the word. Nails on chaulkboard. Hooked them up at and let them play soft on changer in other room and went to sleep. Woke up, turned up the volume while getting ready for work and was not pleased. Right now I prefer the sound of the M1ti's. The speakers are on stands 8 feet apart, 6 inches from back wall. No corners. Just a wall dividing kitchen and living room. Is there a break-in from where it sounds about "about average" overall and changes to "great" over time.

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#10377 05/15/03 06:39 AM
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my m2is sounded great when i first played them and sound great now. i noticed no change in their sound over time. i guess this is just a good example of subjective reaction to speakers. i would give them some more time and experiment with placement at least.

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wanted to add that i have come across posts on other forums from people who feel the axioms need a lengthy breakin. a couple posters felt that the sound was completely transformed after breakin. from my experience that just isnt the case, but whether it be psychoacoustic or not there is definately good reason to give the speaker time before you make your final decision. use the trial period to its fullest.

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#10378 05/15/03 02:58 PM
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sjroland,
I posted my thoughts on listening to new speakers for the first time a short while ago.
You might find it interesting, but if it is too long for you to bear, skip to the bottom summary.
The M1s and M2s obviously have a different sound (i think the M2 has a newer tweeter, same as in the M22). Comparing it to your Energy speakers will take some time for your ears to adjust.
Second to that, depending on your listening distance away from the speakers, 8 feet apart for those small speakers is pretty wide. Try playing with distances and toeing some more. Also calibrate your left and right channels with an SPL if you have one.

Ultimately though you may also still decide that the M2s are too 'bright' for your liking.
It happens.


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SJ, reading your description of the two types of sound imbalance you experienced raises the possibility that the midwoofer on the right speaker is either way down in volume or not working at all. If a sound such as a singer or radio announcer supposed to be in the middle is way off to the left that means that the voice frequencies are much louder on the left speaker.Also, a speaker whose midwoofer wasn't operating correctly would indeed sound quite shrill.

Switch the left and right speakers to see if the soundstage shifts and you might also listen to each individually in mono to see if there's a decided difference. If so, speak with Joe.


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I hooked up a my 3 speaker switcher box instead of swapping wires. Brought my Energy's over too for comparision. Will never get rid of the Take-5 set dispite the 2 faults I have with them. Weak vocals and upper bass. I want the same sound, just fixed.
1)The M1's sound really muted. Vocals are not forward enough although they do deep male vocals better than the Energys. Vocals are centered but are pushed back. The Energys are at the front of the TV and the M1's sound like they're coming from behind the entertainment center. Highs are not open and tingly. Cymbals are too soft. I gave the NHT SuperZero a shot last month and they sounded very similar. Very similar
2) M2's - BRIGHT! Very close to the Energys except vocals are a bit overdone and get very shrilly up top. A lot more bass.
Wanted to stay small but maybe the M3 is better for me. I'll have the whole product line soon.
Saturday I'll be back at my house and will be testing them on the bedroom Kenwood. My Energys sounded good on all the receivers I've had. Are the Axioms more finicky?
JohnK - Swapped the left and right M2's and it stayed on the left. I'm sure it is the recording. But the M2's amplified this problem. I did not notice it on the M1's or the Energys in listening area. Only when I walked from speaker to speaker and put my ears next to them could I tell the vocals were down on the right speaker.
Thanks for all your input. Stephen

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Also, what are returns like for U.S. residents? Is there customs and lofty shipping charges? I live in Florida. Would I be better off eBaying them?

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