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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106347 07/31/05 09:09 PM
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I told my wife that I was afraid that maybe the 60's would not work out as well in the bigger room but that I had gotten them because I wanted the flexibility if I decided to move into one of the smaller rooms. Her response was "They are so cheap if they don't work out just get the other pair or something else." She wasn't talking about sending back the 60's for the 80's She meant keep both. You gootta love her. So maybe these will migrate into the HT and the 80's will come later.
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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106348 07/31/05 09:16 PM
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You're a lucky man I tell ya .I was in no way saying the 60s are not suited for a 2 channel system.I am saying that maybe,just maybe the 80 are better suited for your needs.


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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106349 07/31/05 09:25 PM
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I understand wid's point. In the big room with just 70 watts per channel the speakers sound plenty loud. (Earlier I said 50 watts but that is for 5.1) They just seem a little thin, if that's a good word. It's really hard to explain. The speakers are loud enough and they are crystal clear. It just seems like something is missing that wasn't in the smaller room. They don't seem to have the same dynamics. They are not bad by any stretch of the imagination. I have also come to a realization. I have always told my wife, it's not that I like the music that loud . It's just that my speakers inefficiencccy makes me play it that loud to get the full dynamics of the recorded sound. I truely believed this myself. Well that is total BS. I like my music loud. When it reaches a certain level music can just carry me away. It's never too late to learn something new about youself. Now I'm going to try the speakers in the bedroom system.
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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106350 08/01/05 02:33 AM
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Congratulations Oz on your new purchase!!! Consider it as a home trial!!!

For your big room, I think that you probably need to get a better amp. (and yes, I would strongly suggest separates). At least a 100 wpc two channel amp. It will give M60s the punch or "oomph" that you lack now. My Rotel RB-1080 is 200 wpc at 8 Ohms, in a 24x20x9 room. I can tell you from my experience with them and Rotel gear I have had and have. Again, more power does not ONLY mean louder, it means better.

Me too, I like to listen to my music loud.

As for the sub, I can't tell you a lot, since I don't have one. However, many say it is very important, even in a stereo setup. I still have to wait before I have one.


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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106351 08/01/05 02:44 AM
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Man you need to try some M80s with that big ass Rotel amp you have.If you like it loud I think you would be amazed on what you hear.


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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106352 08/01/05 03:11 AM
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I get that power from Outlaw M200s.



Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106353 08/01/05 03:23 AM
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Man you need to try some M80s with that big ass Rotel amp you have.If you like it loud I think you would be amazed on what you hear.

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Isn't it too late now? I can't get M80s without losing a lot of money. Is the difference worth all that money? I doubt it... M60s are just as good.


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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106354 08/01/05 09:04 AM
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I have been looking into Outlaw, Anthem, Parasound Halo etc. I have read in other threads that you are happy with the Outlaws. Now that you have had them for a while does that still hold true.
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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106355 08/01/05 09:45 AM
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We are thinking of changing all the rooms around. The big room where the HT is would become the music/game room where the stereo would go (Harmon Kardon 665xi 150watts x 2 channels). That is what I plan to power the M60's with no matter where they end up. The smaller room I mentioned would become the office/computer room. The current office (where I am typing this now)would become the new home theater room because it has doors on it and we would be able to somewhat cut it off from the rest of the house. When I tested the speakers in the larger room I just brought them in and hooked up to the existing speaker lines which go to the HK 310 70watts x 2. I didn't want to have to break everything down this weekend. I have 30 days. I think next weekend I will pull the HK 150 watt unit out of the little room and test the speakers again in the big room with more power. Right now I think I have all the power I need. If I were going to use the M60's in HT set up (not planned at this time) I would have to use the HK665 as a pre amp with the HK310 and run the 60's off that and let the 310 run the rest of the set up or I would have to look into new gear. I wouldn't mind a Halo A21 for the two channel duties and a Halo A52.for the HT.

I tried the speakers up in the bedroom through a vintage AR power amp (not sure I think it is 60 x2) they sounded very nice on that system and in that room. I was very happy to see that the speakers are efficient enough for the old AR to drive. This amp is not very powerful but it is built like a tank very quiet and very clean sound. In it's day it was highly regarded. I'm pretty sure even today (if you can find one) they are going for good money on the used market. Very har to find though. There is not much information on it. I can't even find a model # on it it just says AR. Right now the speakers are back in the little room. I think I have taken care of the cabinet resonance but I have not had a chance to test that out. The furniture for the office has been ordered so once it comes we will be able too start switching things around.


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Re: Sure cure for the blues
#106356 08/01/05 10:00 AM
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As for your comment on the sub. I think once you start using one it is hard to give them up. I put a custom stereo in my z and I built a box that is beautifully integrated into the design of the car.(if I do say so myself ) So I have gotten used to the sound of music with a sub and it is hard giving up those lf's. I was told once (I have no idea if this is true) that in a full orchestral recording a sub woofer improves the reproduced sound of 27 instruments. Keep in mind this was in reference to car audio where the common set up is a 6 1/2 in driver and 3/4 to 1 in tweeter. I don't usually pass things on if I don't know they are true, but someone in car audio told me this.
oz



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